Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"

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Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"
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Mon, 03-11-2013 - 3:57pm

There is a lot in the news regarding Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg's new book, "Lean In", in which she is trying to empower women to be more aggressive in the workplace.   It's interesting to read the different viewpoints on the debate, ranging from ABC News to CNN and the New York Times.  

From an iVillage article:

But time is exactly what's holding many women back. The time investment required for women to move ahead in their jobs at all levels -- not just the C-suite spots -- is a deal breaker for many women who aren't willing to sacrifice those hours with their family. All of Sandberg's brilliant plans for redefining how working women are viewed and how they network hinge on the point that women need to want these jobs. And if the current formula of working longer and harder for career success doesn't change, many women won't. 

http://www.ivillage.com/sheryl-sandberg-will-women-want-lean/6-a-526612

The articles discuss various issues that have been debated here before, such as if women can truly have it all and why women aren't as aggressive as their male counterparts to get what they deserve in the workplace.  Detractors feel that with her work history, education and success, she's unable to understand the average working woman, she's not up against the same obstacles.  

What do you think needs to change in the work place in order for women to succeed, and maybe find an easier balance between their work and home lives?  Do you think that encouraging more women to be aggressive about moving up the corporate ladder is realistic?  

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chestnuthooligan wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;chestnuthooligan&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;jamblessedthree&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;What does writing for a man look like?&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;Edited. &amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;The stereotypical crap that women react emotionally and men react to situations with logic. &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nonsense.  You brought it up, What does say about women who AREN'T getting ahead?  Listen to female leaders, They aren't so caught up in that. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>What nonsense? My example for leadership shows that men are disportionately represented at the leadership level and women are not given EQUAL opportunity (not NO opportunity). 50 men vs 5 women leadership class in a company that is noted for diversity tells me something is wrong and opportunity is not yet equal.</p><p>But what do I know - I am actually a working woman, in a leadership role. I am sure the SAHMs, with husbands who tell them stuff have superior insight to the advantages/disadvantages of working women in corporate America. Talk about nonsense...</p>

The SAHM here totally agrees w/you...

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 3:04pm
You're missing the point mops, I have connections with a lot of PhDs too, The excellent ones are not tossing their titles around like some/and I'd wage many others do. It's sort of like finding the right medical doctor, There's a difference b/w those that treat people like human beings and others that aren't worth a dime, Lol.

 


 


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thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>I thought the whole point of SAHM was to keep your kids away from Evil Substitute Caregivers. Now SuperMom SAHMS need Nannys. Sheesh. Makes me glad my kids are nearly grown. The rules are getting way too hard to keep up with.</blockquote></p><p>If you're sarcastically referring to Jam's post about "delegating" and my post about "hired help" I think the take-away was that I don't mow the lawn, I pay someone.  I pay a cleaning lady.  I pay for help, I delegate.  I'm not sure why your children being grown up makes you glad ~ the rules haven't changed.  Gardeners and cleaning ladies have been around some time now.</p>

And I can't image another stay at home mom objecting to that, But this board proves otherwise, Lol.  I like that you have a gardener, I use a landscaper now and then, They come out to tend my lawn and when we first moved here they tore a rose bush out of our front yard and replaced it with a nice evergreen, It was nice and I'm glad I can pay to keep these people in business too.   

 


 


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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 3:16pm
And the stereotypes continue, Only working moms hire out help... Lol.

 


 


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jamblessedthree wrote:
You're missing the point mops, I have connections with a lot of PhDs too, The excellent ones are not tossing their titles around like some/and I'd wage many others do. It's sort of like finding the right medical doctor, There's a difference b/w those that treat people like human beings and others that aren't worth a dime, Lol.

I have a lot of contact with PhDs.  So much so that having a PhD is no big deal, everyone in the room has one.  However, once in awhile the arrogant twerps really are the best in their field.  Sometimes they aren't.  In my experience (and that of my grad students) it is often the people at the very top who are most generous with their time and expertise.  Sometimes the ones "in the middle" are less generous, probably because they haven't made it to the top of the profession and they see their positions as more precarious.  I don't know.

I would not pick a surgeon based on her bedside manner.

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jamblessedthree wrote:
And the stereotypes continue, Only working moms hire out help... Lol.

Really?  That's what you are seeing?  I am seeing one SAHM who doesn't have hired help and one who does, and one who occasionally hires out something.  I am seeing one WOHM who has cleaning help, and some who don't (I don't).  We don't have a gardener, but I did hire someone to take out a couple of dead trees recently.  I'm seeing the use of "help" to be a matter of personal preference/style, not a function of WOHM/SAHM status.

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jamblessedthree wrote:
And the stereotypes continue, Only working moms hire out help... Lol.

No stereotype from me. I just find it unnecessary.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 4:44pm

reginageorge2005 wrote:
I guess I just fail to see the need to pay someone to do something I can do perfectly well myself. The days I mow the lawn, I skip the gym. Cleaning is a part of life. It isn't difficult or even particularly time consuming. If I WOH FT, perhaps I would need to hire someone. But I've got 40-50 hrs a week to get the cleaning done that a WOHM doesn't have. Time management, I guess...

Why do you assume sahms must clean toilets?  I don't "skip the gym."  Exercise is a priority for me.  Clearning is not "particularly time-consuming for you," but it is for me.  It's possible the size of your house is different than my house.  It's never been a question of time management.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 4:50pm

reginageorge2005 wrote:
  My professors dock for typos or malapropisms--proofreading is expected.</p>

Hmm, maybe that's why I posed the question to Bord and not to you. 

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 4:50pm
Jams, OK, so I am only more confused. Which Ph.Ds, in your experience, throw their titles around?

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