Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"

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Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"
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Mon, 03-11-2013 - 3:57pm

There is a lot in the news regarding Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg's new book, "Lean In", in which she is trying to empower women to be more aggressive in the workplace.   It's interesting to read the different viewpoints on the debate, ranging from ABC News to CNN and the New York Times.  

From an iVillage article:

But time is exactly what's holding many women back. The time investment required for women to move ahead in their jobs at all levels -- not just the C-suite spots -- is a deal breaker for many women who aren't willing to sacrifice those hours with their family. All of Sandberg's brilliant plans for redefining how working women are viewed and how they network hinge on the point that women need to want these jobs. And if the current formula of working longer and harder for career success doesn't change, many women won't. 

http://www.ivillage.com/sheryl-sandberg-will-women-want-lean/6-a-526612

The articles discuss various issues that have been debated here before, such as if women can truly have it all and why women aren't as aggressive as their male counterparts to get what they deserve in the workplace.  Detractors feel that with her work history, education and success, she's unable to understand the average working woman, she's not up against the same obstacles.  

What do you think needs to change in the work place in order for women to succeed, and maybe find an easier balance between their work and home lives?  Do you think that encouraging more women to be aggressive about moving up the corporate ladder is realistic?  

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I don't have a gardener or a cleaning lady --  but I do live in a condo so I don't have to worry about mowing or shovelling or plowing or gardening... and living with my spouse is like living with Felix from the Odd Couple so I don't worry about cleaning either ....it's spectacularly awesome.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 11:48am

Several pages in and all we're discussing is a poster's innocent and mistaken addition of a nonsense word, typed in haste, while multi-tasking perhaps.  And women wonder why they don't get ahead in the workplace.  No skin off my nose ~ I'm happily unemployed.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 11:44am

bordwithyou wrote:
Does Jambles mean PhDs have "initials" behind their names? I'd ask her, but she never deigns to answer questions. I'm truly baffled.

I'm surprised this is the second or third time you've repeated this.  Didn't you find anything else in her several posts to discuss?  If one of your students has a typo or innocent malapropism, you grade accordingly?

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 11:41am

bordwithyou wrote:
I'm also finding it ironic that in a thread that is all about celebrating and encouraging ambition, there is this faux concern/shock/horror about the oversized egos of the highly accomplished. It is not unusual that highly successful people are driven by outsized egos. We could call it the "Donald Trump Syndrome."

Actually, this thread and all of the buzz are about women NOT celebrating ambition nor encouraging other women in their careers.  Women should instead Lean In.  Do you think that is happening now?  ...will ever happen?

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 11:38am

bordwithyou wrote:
I thought the whole point of SAHM was to keep your kids away from Evil Substitute Caregivers. Now SuperMom SAHMS need Nannys. Sheesh. Makes me glad my kids are nearly grown. The rules are getting way too hard to keep up with.

If you're sarcastically referring to Jam's post about "delegating" and my post about "hired help" I think the take-away was that I don't mow the lawn, I pay someone.  I pay a cleaning lady.  I pay for help, I delegate.  I'm not sure why your children being grown up makes you glad ~ the rules haven't changed.  Gardeners and cleaning ladies have been around some time now.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 10:26am
"Does Jambles mean PhDs have "initials" behind their names?" --------- I don't know. People sometimes try to address DH as "doctor," but he always corrects them, since he is ABD. I remember he also said that when he was in college (back in the dark ages), everyone, students and professors, were simply addressed as "mister," no other titles. At my university, everyone is addressed by first name. In the Arabic department we sometimes, as a small joke, address them as "mister/miss first name," because Arabs would typically do that.
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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 10:17am
Does Jambles mean PhDs have "initials" behind their names? I'd ask her, but she never deigns to answer questions. I'm truly baffled.
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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 10:16am
Dh came across one professor with an outsized ego once. The professor announced that no student would get an A in the class, because you could only get an A if you knew as much as the professor himself and that was not possible for mere mortals to achieve. The professor moved on to politics, which may be a better arena for that kind of ego.
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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 10:09am
"Sorry for the misspelling, you've seriously not heard that expression about PhDs? Maybe IT'S a geographic thing, Lol. My professor loves to talk about his ranking, The 8 years it took to get his "PhD", That his biases are worth their weight in gold, You don't ask if he likes or not the department dean whose PhD is just as powerful as yours until someone tells you, Not all PhDs have such inflated egos but many do." ------------------- Jams, I work with Ph.Ds all the time, and I have never heard them described as having "expletives" behind their names. I truly do not know what you are getting at here.
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I kind of like Sandberg, and I enjoyed the 60 minutes piece... my friend who is the President of my state's nonprofit Women's INitiative has been promoting her work for a while now so I had read up on her... I don't buy the "all women hate all the other women" in the workplace stuff... and try to combat it with good stories whenever I can.. one day I was having a rough day (which had nothing to do with my job) and I got a little "woe is me" on FB and a friend said "oh you must have a woman boss"   really?  1) this has nothing to do with work and 2) we're going to go there?  she automatically assumes women in the workplace are going to be combative and backstbby instead of helpful and I keep tryign to explain to her the concepts of decrying that which is most often a characteristic of your own nature and also self- fulfilling prophecies.    I think any thing that encourages us to look at the "ladder of success" in a new light - to blow up old notions of success and how it is arrived at and, as I said in our feminism thread, to reach behind us and help another woman succeed as we have beenhelped to succeed then that's a good thing.   I'm not sure what there is to argue.

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