Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"

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Sheryl Sandberg Wants Us to "Lean In"
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Mon, 03-11-2013 - 3:57pm

There is a lot in the news regarding Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg's new book, "Lean In", in which she is trying to empower women to be more aggressive in the workplace.   It's interesting to read the different viewpoints on the debate, ranging from ABC News to CNN and the New York Times.  

From an iVillage article:

But time is exactly what's holding many women back. The time investment required for women to move ahead in their jobs at all levels -- not just the C-suite spots -- is a deal breaker for many women who aren't willing to sacrifice those hours with their family. All of Sandberg's brilliant plans for redefining how working women are viewed and how they network hinge on the point that women need to want these jobs. And if the current formula of working longer and harder for career success doesn't change, many women won't. 

http://www.ivillage.com/sheryl-sandberg-will-women-want-lean/6-a-526612

The articles discuss various issues that have been debated here before, such as if women can truly have it all and why women aren't as aggressive as their male counterparts to get what they deserve in the workplace.  Detractors feel that with her work history, education and success, she's unable to understand the average working woman, she's not up against the same obstacles.  

What do you think needs to change in the work place in order for women to succeed, and maybe find an easier balance between their work and home lives?  Do you think that encouraging more women to be aggressive about moving up the corporate ladder is realistic?  

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I don't have a gardener or a cleaning lady --  but I do live in a condo so I don't have to worry about mowing or shovelling or plowing or gardening... and living with my spouse is like living with Felix from the Odd Couple so I don't worry about cleaning either ....it's spectacularly awesome.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 12:21pm
I have not read the book, but my understanding is that her advice to women is not to worry so much about being "liked," but rather to worry about being seen as competent, confident, and able to negotiate and lead. Not to be afraid of being assertive and ambitious in the boardroom. In other words, own your ambition and go for your goals.
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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 12:28pm
As for Jambles' posts, I was trying to do her the courtesy of making sure I understood what she was trying to say before responding. It's not about the typo, it's about the refusal to edit or clarify. As far as how I grade my students' papers is concerned, it's really not relevant here. Jambles isn't my student, and I'm not grading her posts. I'm trying to have a conversation and asking for clarification on something I didn't understand. I don't know what's problematic about that.
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thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>I thought the whole point of SAHM was to keep your kids away from Evil Substitute Caregivers. Now SuperMom SAHMS need Nannys. Sheesh. Makes me glad my kids are nearly grown. The rules are getting way too hard to keep up with.</blockquote></p><p>If you're sarcastically referring to Jam's post about "delegating" and my post about "hired help" I think the take-away was that I don't mow the lawn, I pay someone.  I pay a cleaning lady.  I pay for help, I delegate.  I'm not sure why your children being grown up makes you glad ~ the rules haven't changed.  Gardeners and cleaning ladies have been around some time now.</p>

I guess I just fail to see the need to pay someone to do something I can do perfectly well myself. The days I mow the lawn, I skip the gym. Cleaning is a part of life. It isn't difficult or even particularly time consuming. If I WOH FT, perhaps I would need to hire someone. But I've got 40-50 hrs a week to get the cleaning done that a WOHM doesn't have. Time management, I guess...

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thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>Does Jambles mean PhDs have "initials" behind their names? I'd ask her, but she never deigns to answer questions. I'm truly baffled.</blockquote></p><p>I'm surprised this is the second or third time you've repeated this.  Didn't you find anything else in her several posts to discuss?  If one of your students has a typo or innocent malapropism, you grade accordingly?</p>

My professors dock for typos or malapropisms--proofreading is expected.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:05pm
Regina, it may also be personality. I can always find something I would rather do than clean and cleaning takes me eons. I sincerely dislike it with all my heart. I prefer not hiring help, just because there are hassles involved in finding, managing and supervising help, but for cleaning the benefit, for me, far outweighs the hassles. Painting OTOH I usually do myself, because I don't mind it and I do not enjoy finding, hiring and supervising painters.
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rollmops2009 wrote:
Dh came across one professor with an outsized ego once. The professor announced that no student would get an A in the class, because you could only get an A if you knew as much as the professor himself and that was not possible for mere mortals to achieve. The professor moved on to politics, which may be a better arena for that kind of ego.
  I've got colleagues who are full of themselves.  My friends who are physicians have colleagues who are full of themselves.  I've got lawyer friends who have colleagues who are full of themselves. My son who works at Starbucks has colleagues who are full of themselves.  There are a lot of people who are full of themselves.  Academia may may have more than its share, I am not sure.  But egotistical people are not limited to academia, or to those who hold advanced degrees.

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rollmops2009 wrote:
Regina, it may also be personality. I can always find something I would rather do than clean and cleaning takes me eons. I sincerely dislike it with all my heart. I prefer not hiring help, just because there are hassles involved in finding, managing and supervising help, but for cleaning the benefit, for me, far outweighs the hassles. Painting OTOH I usually do myself, because I don't mind it and I do not enjoy finding, hiring and supervising painters.

I might hire some help when the kids are all gone.  Right now I can always get one of the boys to do the lawn or help with some muscle task in return for a ride someplace or borrowing my car.   DH announced he was "retired" from household tasks about five years ago.

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:10pm
Bord, agreed. It must also be noted that considering how many years dh spent in universities, only having one story about a self-absorbed, arrogant prof actually speaks quite well of the profession as a whole.
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jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">chestnuthooligan</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;What does writing for a man look like?&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Edited. &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The stereotypical crap that women react emotionally and men react to situations with logic. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Nonsense.  You brought it up, What does say about women who AREN'T getting ahead?  Listen to female leaders, They aren't so caught up in that. </p>

What nonsense? My example for leadership shows that men are disportionately represented at the leadership level and women are not given EQUAL opportunity (not NO opportunity). 50 men vs 5 women leadership class in a company that is noted for diversity tells me something is wrong and opportunity is not yet equal.

But what do I know - I am actually a working woman, in a leadership role. I am sure the SAHMs, with husbands who tell them stuff have superior insight to the advantages/disadvantages of working women in corporate America. Talk about nonsense...

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