so sick of hearing....

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so sick of hearing....
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Mon, 08-06-2007 - 1:34pm
hello everyone!! i just read the cnn article on how burnt out and guilty the working mom is...and how hard it is to incorparate "quality" time...and all i can say is WILL YOU COME OFF IT PLEASE!! i work-40 hours a week; sometimes 6 days a week to get all my hours...and i have 2 children-7 and 3...and you know what-every day during the school year, i walk my dd to school...i volunteer at my dds school-in her classroom and on field trips-i have the last 2 years and plan to do more of the same this coming year...i keep the house clean-do the dishes and laundry, go grocery shopping, etc. and you know what-neither of my kids feel slighted. we just took a week long vacation where we went to an amusement park and then to visit my sil for a few days...they have a lil shallow pool-and i go "swimming" with them often-usually before i go off to the adult world of work...we go on shopping trips with my mom and visit a cousin who has a huge pool and the adults play cards outside on the deck when the kids swim...we play games, we take walks, we go to parks...it just boggles my mind. yes i get tired-and yes there are days i wish i didnt have to go in to work...but then theres days that i cant wait until i go in-some women are meant to stay at home and theyre happy doing it...and some women are meant to work outside the home-i need that adult stimulation-i need my friends and my friends are all behind that deli counter with me...again i dont feel my kids are slighted in the least-my own mom was a stay at homer and she didnt volunteer at school and we never took the kinds of trips and outings my kids are lucky enough to have on a regular basis...i dont feel guilty when im at work-i dont think being a working mom hurts my kids...im getting sick and tired of hearing how unhappy working moms are, or how guilty i should feel cuz im not with my kids 24/7...maybe im the exception...or maybe the media focuses too much on the exceptions and a lot of working mommies feel like me...??? take care!!
joanne
maman2goons@yahoo.com

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:20pm

By your own admission you know close to nothing about either condition.

My dh went to school back in those good old days with no "farcical" gifted programs. Of course, they did IQ-test all the kids. Of course, they did have tracking. Of course, there was a set of special high schools for kids who were nominated and passed a set of advanced exams. Once you do the numbers, it turns out that the percentage of kids who made it into those special high schools corresponds pretty closely to the percentage that today would be in the GT program. For the ones who did not make that cut, there was still tracking. I think that answers why they did just fine without a GT program. It turns out they did have one, it was just not called that.

Today there is no tracking, and no mass testing. The high schools are still around (in NYC), but the entrance procedure has changed somewhat. That is why we have a need for GT programs.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:22pm
SPED is a reason why NCLB exists? How so?
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Registered: 08-18-2007
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:22pm
They're unnecessary if regular instruction is made a priority. A child with a high IQ should have his needs met in regular classroom instruction and, if he cannot and he is not being challenged, then the school needs to re-evaluate their approach, curriculum and teachers and spend their tax dollars and other funding properly.
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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:25pm

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Yep.

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:25pm
So you see it as an either/or? IOW, if attention is given to the gifted it will take away from the kids with handicaps? Is it OK to give attention to a gifted kid if the kid has a handicap?
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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:26pm

no problem necessarily just a point that sometimes,a lesson learned is taking the good with the bad. that diversity instead of individual,four wall experiences isn't always a bad thing. and ime,i consider diversity something much more prevalent in public schools than private and parochial. you see,private schools don't have to deal with all that public must. ymmv.

thanks for this debate. smiles.

 

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:27pm

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Not if it's true, then they are sending the right message.


PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 08-18-2007
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:27pm
So Greece does not have gifted programs. Why are you defending such programs then? I thought you moved away from the US because of inadequacies in the US educational system, among other inadequacies in US institutions, customs, traditions, etc. That Greece does not have the gifted program supports you made the right decision, doesn't it?
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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:30pm

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Exactly like I originally stated, it has nothing to do with what I stated.


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I think you need to read my original comments again, as I stated that I hadn't heard of a stigma surrounding it and I haven't.

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 5:32pm

Exactly but too bad that is not reality in many cases.


PumpkinAngel

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