Thoughts about this??

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Thoughts about this??
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Tue, 03-27-2007 - 11:53am

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Registered: 03-03-2007
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 10:55am

There's no way they could hurt themselves by crying in a crib for the short time it takes to use the toilet. Why are you so dramatic?

It takes just a little foresight and planning and you chose not to do any of it:

bouncy seat with toy bar
activity mat
pack-n-play
"stationary" entertainment centers with toys
boppy with some stackable blocks

With minimal PLANNING, any of these sanitary set-ups could have been placed right outside the bathroom door so that your child would be safe and not exposed to feces and urine.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 10:59am

And you didn't use formula to supplement while they were newborns? At all?

As for starting solids at 4 mos, it has been proven by now that the infant gut tends to mature *between* 4-6 mos, and starting solids (*or other foreign proteins such as cow milk based formula or soy milk based formula*) before then can be something that would CONTRIBUTE to allergies, especially in a child coming from a background, with genetics that already have allergic susceptability in them. They now recommend starting solids *at* 6 mos or later, not before, because of this, in exclusively BFed babies, and this includes holding off on formula in any form, until at least then. If *your* child's gut hadn't matured yet by 4 mos, introducing solids at that time would definitely be a possible contributer towards increased allergies. A newborn's gut is very permeable: it is full of big holes, and large foreign proteins (such as cow milk, soy, peanut...etc.) can easily go through the intestine holes into the body and this leaves the poor defenseless body that doesn't expect to have to deal with these WHOLE undigested proteins, needing to sollicit an "immune response" to deal with them. Once the gut has sealed off, "around 4-6 mos" (but definitely safer to wait until *after* 6 mos in an exclusively BFed baby) then the risk is much lower b/c the pores in the intestine are smaller and fewer proteins could possibly pass over into the blood stream.

If you inject cow blood into a human, by the veins, it will kill them. Or any other animal's blood, for that matter. Heck, if you give a blood transfusion that is not the right TYPE but is still human blood, it can still be very dangerous or kill someone (ie someone who is O- getting A+ blood). A similar thing is happening in a young baby who ingests cow or soy milk proteins, but at a much lesser scale. The foreign proteins are not being completely digested, but are crossing over the intestinal wall WHOLE sometimes, into the blood stream, and causing a big immune response. This is one reason why waiting to 6 mos is really important ESPECIALLY in a family with a history of food allergies. I waited until 6 mos (well, DD1 wanted NOTHING to do with solids until she was 8.5 mos, but I didn't offer until 6 mos...and didn't offer until 6 with DD2, who chowed down on anything and everything we offered at that point ;-)) and, touch wood, we haven't had any food allergy concerns. Neither DH nor I are allergic, but DH's sister and my brother both have food allergies and sensitivities so it could well be in their genetics to be susceptible to that.

OBVIOUSLY there will ALWAYS be families who waited until 8-12 mos to intro. solids, who EBF and never gave formula, who "did everything right" whose kids are very allergic, and ones who used formula extensively or exclusively and gave solids really early like 2 weeks whose kids had no allergic reactions ever. Obviously genetics plays a huge role. But it is entirely possible that my kids, who could possibly have allergic-susceptible genes, might have had 1-2 allergies had they not been BFed, just as it is entirely possible that the child who WAS EBF and solids introduced later, who has a slew of allergies, might have MORE had they not been BFed.

Fio

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Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:00am

YK what, I didn't HAVE a crib or a bassinette when DD1 was a baby


Those are basic needs for a baby.

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Registered: 03-03-2007
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:02am

Oh, I LOVED the saucer. That always gave me at least 20 minutes of peace and quiet!

That's funny she wanted to be on her belly. One of the best things I ever did was throw out all of the modern-day scare tactics and put my kids to sleep on their bellies. I don't think I did with my first, I was too afraid. But later.

I also used a "cage" (crib) for sleeping! Mean mommy.

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Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:03am
OMG!

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Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:04am

CYE :)

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Registered: 12-06-2004
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:04am

AWWWWW!

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:05am

Umm who said anything about latch? I could drop a child ANYWHERE (and actually my 2nd DD flew out of my arms at one point...no where NEAR a bathroom though...we were in the livingroom). It doesn't matter if I am sitting on the john, or the couch, nursing or not...there is ALWAYS a risk of dropping a child.

AS for feces and urine, I'm sorry but my kids both got a first "exposure" to those when they were born. Their mouths, noses, entire gastrointestinal tracts were colonized by MY bacteria when they were being birthed through the birth canal which is literally teeming with these bacteria. *MY* bacteria were probably safer for them than many other bacteria in many places. HOWEVER...in general...we NEED exposure to bacteria in order to be healthy. It's good for us. Germs are our friends. ;-)

And besides which, I wasn't exactly putting my child face-down and making them lick the bathroom floor...LOL. They were put down on a blanket, on their back, for a few seconds while I sat down.

"There is a real self-absorption without reason that I see in many of your approaches."

The "real self-absorption" I see in many others' responses are those who say "kids need to cry" "kids need to learn that not every one of their desires or needs will be responded to" (as a newborn!), people who say "*I* didn't want to wear my baby no matter what they felt like..."...THAT to my mind is self-absorption. All about "me me me" (the mom). I didn't exactly hold my child all the time b/c *I* liked feeling like my arms were falling off or whatever. I did it b/c I couldn't bear to hear her cry, b/c I knew that crying was her only way of telling me she wasn't cool with SOMETHING...and it seemed that "something" was just being "alone", not next to me, not able to feel and hear and smell me.

Fio

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:06am

I even brought the bouncy chair sometimes in the bathroom and put her in it. If I was just doing things quickly, sure. But there are times when you sit there for 10 min. (ok not everyone does, but some do, including me...) and 10 min. alone crying in her bouncy chair was too much IMO. 1 min. fine, but not 10.

Fio

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Registered: 07-23-2003
Thu, 04-19-2007 - 11:07am

I also used a "cage" (crib) for sleeping! Mean mommy.>


Don't worry I used a cage too :)

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