Wage Equality

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Wage Equality
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Wed, 04-11-2012 - 4:18pm

I was just reading an article from Huffington Post about the wage inequality in the US:

Women have made important and major strides in opportunity, work force engagement and pay in the past half century, but next week's April 17 Equal Pay Day exists for an enduring and legitimate reason. This day symbolically marks how far into the year a woman has to work to make what a man made during the prior calendar year. Yup. That means Jane has to keep working through January, February, March and half of April 2012 in order to bring home the same paycheck that John did in calendar year 2011. Since the Equal Pay Act of 1963, the gap between men's and women's pay (calculated for full-time work) has closed at less than half-a-cent per year. At this rate, we will be "celebrating" this event for fifty more years before the gap closes.

You've heard the statistics: The median annual earnings for working (full-time) white women is 77 cents to a man's dollar. For women of color, the gap and its effects are even greater: African-American women earn 61 cents to the male dollar and Latina women earn 53 cents. Controlling for factors like education, experience, job type and more reveals that fully one-quarter to one-half of the gap is attributable to unexplained causes. Women now make up more than half of the U.S. workforce -- this gap affects hundreds of millions of people and families.

If you would like to read the complete article, here is the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/wage-equality_b_1415560.html?ref=women

What do you think of the article? Do you think there is a real problem with gender pay gaps, is it something you've experienced?

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:25pm
that's awful. And while I don't disagree that that attitude exists, I just can't believe that it is the prevailing attitude.

But then, we just hired a woman for one of our open Associate Dean positions.

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:24pm
Good points. I still tend to think - with my gut - that there isn't a whole glut of employers out there thinking "Hey, I'm gonna pay Joe more than Mary, just because he has a penis."

If the wage gap truly exists to the extent these statistics and articles imply, then I think it isn't an overt "I think men are better than women" mindset. And I think some of the best defense we have against it is for women to stand up for their rights, ask for raises when we deserve them, and don't "settle".

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:20pm
Exactly! And then when a woman is hired for a high-ranking position, employees (usually men in low paying positions within an organization) say things like, "You know she only got the job because she's a woman. It's awful to be so (reverse) discriminated against as a man."
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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:15pm

On the other hand, in a real life case that I am aware of, a certain female police office passed the written examination to become a sergeant with the highest written score of all candidates three times in a row, yet failed the oral three times in a row.

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:10pm

But if the men are getting the majority of the administrative promotions, they are also getting the majority of the money in that profession.

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:09pm

I can attest to the fact that whenever we have a woman short-listed for a high-ranking position, there is a lot of sturm-und-drang about the fact that "she's probably going to bring a lot of baggage," and "she's probably going to ask for spousal accomodation," and "Look at her age, she's probably going to want to pop out babies right away, she'll have a hard time getting tenure."

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 2:04pm

In order to arrive at the 75 cents on a dollar figure, though, that seems to hold steady throughout time (the wage gap in fourteenth-century England was approximately the same as it is today), it's got to be more than some men have more experience or expertise than some women.

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 11:58am

Yes, And willingness or lack thereof to put forth the time and effort for additonal duties. My personal thoughts about friend's situation are, When was the last time he put in more time than he was scheduled to work (w/o it interfereing with duties at home)?

 

 

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 11:55am
This conversation reminds me of a case study I had in a graduate management class. I think it is a true story, but not certain.

In short:
A black man had applied to be a firefighter. He was not hired. All the firefighters hired were white. He sued. The investigation revealed that in the city's history, something like 99% of the firefighters ever hired had been white. There had been like 1-2 black firefighters ever. The man and his legal team used that as evidence that he had been discriminated against.

However, a further look at the records showed that in the city's history, only 4-5 black men had ever APPLIED to be a firefighter. In this particular man's case, his score on the entrance exam was significantly lower than the white men hired, and was lower than a number of other white men who were also not hired.

So, things are not always what they seem.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Thu, 04-12-2012 - 11:50am
Yes. Agreed.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1