What does feminism mean to you?

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What does feminism mean to you?
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Mon, 03-04-2013 - 6:20am

I noted that feminism was touched upon in another thread and that people involved in the discussion seemed to have different definitions and outlooks on feminism. I'm curious about all of these different views and definitions not only as a student, but in the context of the WOH/SAH debate. 

FWIW, this wouldn't be the first place that I've heard about varying levels of feminism. I once stumbled across a group of women who were proud to tell me that they were anti-feminist, because they didn't hate men and they enjoyed wearing bras and having babies.

So, what does feminism mean to you? Do you think that feminism is big and complex enough to have multiple definitions?

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 3:45pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Feminism is a political issue, Period. These extreme views are very winded ones regardless of what side of the aisle you fall on, Lol.
What is "extreme" about equality?
jamblessedthree wrote:
Feminism is a political issue, Period. These extreme views are very winded ones regardless of what side of the aisle you fall on, Lol.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 3:57pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Feminism is a political issue, Period. These extreme views are very winded ones regardless of what side of the aisle you fall on, Lol.

A dead political issue.  These are extreme views because women want special treatment.  Not to be treated as equals.

So if an equally qualified man and woman apply for the same job...the woman has to get it.  Same with pay raises, bonuses, perks.  It's affirmative action for women.  I'm not in favor of. that.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:06pm

that's  BS answer and you know it....  feminism isn't a dead political issue as much as priviledged white women like you would love to make it so -- witness the EXCRUTIATING fight to get the VAWA reauthorized .... feminism is about more than pay parity, and Title IX sports and Danica Patrick at the Indy, it's about protecting women from their abusers, and access to health care from pap smears to mammograms to birth control and prenatal care, it's about access to education and opportunity, job training programs, management tracks,  all the thigns that white men take for granted b/c they were born with the privilege of white skin and a penis.    and women who dney that there is no need to fight for our sisters are the deadliest kind of enemy, and enemy from within... and I have zero respect nor tolerance for them.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:22pm

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p>that's  BS answer and you know it....  feminism isn't a dead political issue as much as priviledged white women like you would love to make it so -- witness the EXCRUTIATING fight to get the VAWA reauthorized .... feminism is about more than pay parity, and Title IX sports and Danica Patrick at the Indy, it's about protecting women from their abusers, and access to health care from pap smears to mammograms to birth control and prenatal care, it's about access to education and opportunity, job training programs, management tracks,  all the thigns that white men take for granted b/c they were born with the privilege of white skin and a penis.    and women who dney that there is no need to fight for our sisters are the deadliest kind of enemy, and enemy from within... and I have zero respect nor tolerance for them.</p>

Relax.  I think feminism has a negative connotation at a time when there are so many women doing great things around the US and world.  When women call someone anti-feminist or chauvinist because they don't earn the salary of the man in the next cubicle, it doesn't pass the smell test.  The term is a crutch.  It weakens women's chances.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:22pm

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p>that's  BS answer and you know it....  feminism isn't a dead political issue as much as priviledged white women like you would love to make it so -- witness the EXCRUTIATING fight to get the VAWA reauthorized .... feminism is about more than pay parity, and Title IX sports and Danica Patrick at the Indy, it's about protecting women from their abusers, and access to health care from pap smears to mammograms to birth control and prenatal care, it's about access to education and opportunity, job training programs, management tracks,  all the thigns that white men take for granted b/c they were born with the privilege of white skin and a penis.    and women who dney that there is no need to fight for our sisters are the deadliest kind of enemy, and enemy from within... and I have zero respect nor tolerance for them.</p>

I honestly think that women who deny the existence of gender inequality are far worse than men who've never actually experienced it.

On Wednesdays we wear pink.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:29pm

women who deny that other women struggle and don't need the same opportunities their male counterparts have are antifeminist.  And all one had to do was watch Secretary Clinton DECIMATE that panel of mansplainers in Congress to see that powerful white men who can't quite fathom a powerful accomplished woman in their midst still exist.   As I have said repeatedly it's about more than money and cubicles.  I realize in your world it's hard to believe something can be about more than money but it is... I'm a feminist b/c I believe in the right of young girls in AFghanistan to go to school, in the rights of  women in Ghana to earn their indepdence thorugh micro lending and entrepreuneurship,  just as I am for my own daughter who's already pretty privilged to have a seat at the table without it being the token women's seat.   

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:30pm

<Thardy: A dead political issue.  These are extreme views because women want special treatment.  Not to be treated as equals.>

I am thankful that feminism was and continues to be a societal movement for reforms on issues such as women's suffrage, reproductive rights, domestic violence, maternity leave, equal pay, sexual harassment, and sexual violence.

The feminist movement and feminists, are still relevant today, just not the caracture of the radical feminist of the 70s. Women is western society may equal protections under the law, but corporate boards, corporate execs and political leaders, almost all those with power are still white men. I believe in affirmative action for all minorities. You must be given an opportunity to prove you're equal and equal opportunity is not always possible when the power resides with someone with a vested interest in keeping power for themselves.

Eons of gender oppression is not overcome by 50 years of feminist movement.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 4:50pm

It's interesting both of you find all the fault lies with the "white man." 

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 5:10pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p>It's interesting both of you find all the fault lies with the "white man." </p>
 

I don't. I think fault lies with a historically patriarical society and women who deny the existence of gender inequality. My great grandmother was almost nine years old when women were granted the right to vote. Her mother couldn't vote for much of her lifetime. My dad grew up with these women, was as close to them as he is to my own children. I was quite close to my great grandmother until her death when I was 19. She remembered when women achieved the right to vote. At the age of 37, I am TWO GENERATIONS REMOVED from the time in our own country when women couldn't vote. We've come a long way, but we've got a long way to go.

But yeah, I totally don't solely blame white men. Far more than them, I blame utterly obtuse women like yourself and Jam who deny the gender gap exists at all.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 5:33pm

<<dead political issue.  These are extreme views because women want special treatment.  Not to be treated as equals.>>

What special treatment do women want?  Can you provide some details, news article...something other than you claiming that "women" want that treatment?  

<<So if an equally qualified man and woman apply for the same job...the woman has to get it.  Same with pay raises, bonuses, perks.  It's affirmative action for women.  I'm not in favor of. that.>>

I'm not in favor of affirmative action but then again, neither has anyone else in this thread so what relevance does it have here other than diversion.

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