What does feminism mean to you?

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What does feminism mean to you?
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Mon, 03-04-2013 - 6:20am

I noted that feminism was touched upon in another thread and that people involved in the discussion seemed to have different definitions and outlooks on feminism. I'm curious about all of these different views and definitions not only as a student, but in the context of the WOH/SAH debate. 

FWIW, this wouldn't be the first place that I've heard about varying levels of feminism. I once stumbled across a group of women who were proud to tell me that they were anti-feminist, because they didn't hate men and they enjoyed wearing bras and having babies.

So, what does feminism mean to you? Do you think that feminism is big and complex enough to have multiple definitions?

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 10:07am
The issue was being addressed as "Professor." The poster in question and I have no professional relationship, and in the context of this board, the proper way to address each other is by user name. Using any other form of address, either a professional title or a personal name, assumes a relationship or a degree of intimacy that I do not wish to grant.
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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 10:00am

bordwithyou wrote:
I also have quite a few graduate students whom I must prepare for the realities of the job market. Pretending gender discrimination doesn't exist is not going to help them recognize and fight it.

If you don't want someone here calling you a professor, why keep bringing up the fact that you're preparing graduate students for the job market?  Curious.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:59am

As the mother of both a boy and a girl, this issue hits close to home.  As a realist, I think that I understand what jams is trying to say.  Boys and girls ARE different, and are often quallified for different "jobs".  However, I think the part that she is missing is that there are many, many more where men and women alike can and do perform similarly, where a man will be hired, or where men and women work side by side, doing the same job, and men get paid more.  In general, women ARE expected to carry the load of home and family, even if she is a wohm, and even if dad doesn't have that expectation, his employer likely does.

As a woman, I am thankful for the women before me, who fought for equality, so that I have a choice to woh or to sah.   But I will admit that, personally, I struggle with the whole "you can have it all" debate.  As much as I would love to not limit my kids (boy or girl) learning to balance woh and family life has been a challenge for me personally, and I am often conflicted with feelings of neglecting one for the other.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:53am
I also have quite a few graduate students whom I must prepare for the realities of the job market. Pretending gender discrimination doesn't exist is not going to help them recognize and fight it.
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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:52am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div> There is no such thing as having it all. </blockquote></p><p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div> Sure there is..</blockquote></p><p>

Your comment Pumpkin is the opposite of everything you've said here about equally qualified women being paid less than men simply because they are women.  This is not a debate, no response needed.  Just pointing out the obvious.  Carry on.</p>

I think you missed the point of the last thread and no it's not the opposite of everything I have said here.  Why do you assume again that money is the key to having it all, again?  That seems so strange like in the college debate where you thought if a child had dreams that a in order for a parent to encourage those dreams, they must pay for all of those dreams.  I find it shocking again that money is the root here again in your comments about having it all.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:47am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">BeaArthurisMyReligion</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;yes employment decisions are made case by case.. but check the salaries after the employement decisoin and you often find a different story.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>

Then investigate and negotiate with your employer at the next pay increase.  Don't ask, don't get.  </p>

I think this may be a case of simply not knowing the facts and issues, totally out of touch.

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:43am

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p>AWWWW it's not an ivillage debate till someone busts out the "sad really"...</p><p>what part of my  9 million references to 'my daughter' led you believe I wasn't raising a girl... ?</p>

I think she is referring to me and/or bord....possibly since we have all boys.  Totally disregard that we are women who were once girls, lol.

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:43am

easy to say from the perch of a white collar professional, not so easy to make happen in hourly jobs in retail, food service, factory work, hospitality and so many others in the pink collar ghetto... feminism is for ALL women not just college educated white collar ones.  

I really wished that in the years I was gone I was going to come back to a kinder, gentler Tinder,   I guess not... sad really.. I always liked you.. always thoguht we would be friends. . oh well

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:42am

<<It weakens women to tell girls they will definitely have a lesser salary than men when they grow up and work.  In fact, it's not even true.  It's interesting that you and I ARE raising girls and the ones not raising girls are telling their kids something different.  Sad really.  >>

I totally disagree.  Limiting a girls dreams, telling them they can't have it all weakens women.  Pretending that all genders are equal in the work force and in life is fairy tale, nothing more and really not the basis I want to use for raising my children nor was I raised that way either.  


PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 03-05-2013 - 9:41am

jamblessedthree wrote:
There is no such thing as having it all.

pumpkinangel wrote:
Sure there is..

Your comment Pumpkin is the opposite of everything you've said here about equally qualified women being paid less than men simply because they are women.  This is not a debate, no response needed.  Just pointing out the obvious.  Carry on.

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