>>I don't know about "most" parents, but there was an implication above that some parents will never be involved, so schools should just give up on that. I find that demeaning to the uninvolved parents.<<
Yes it was a response. No it was not a rebuttal. I'm sick of trying to figure out what the heck we're supposedly disagreeing about, so I'm not going to try anymore.
hey! Did you meet my son when he was in elementary school?? This was fairly typical. For HIM, it wasn't that he couldn't do the work, but would take FOREVER to get started. A 20-min. assignment would be 20 min. PLUS 2 hours and 40 min. of tantrumming.....and yes, there are some kids that NEED that time because the work ACTUALLY takes them that long.
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some kids bring alot to the table and won't hit an academic wall until much, much later. ALL kids hit it eventually...some in middle school, some in high school and some not until college.
EXACTLY -- I'm very involved in Liza's education -- I chose her school and try to provide her with context and building blocks for the things she studies -- we talk often about the great middle school dilema (public or parochial) we will face ina few years and weigh the pros and cons of each -- but for me that involvment means knowing when to step back and let her take responsibility for her own failings and the credit for her own glories. Life is long, messay, complicated and unpredictable. I dont' want her to think that only perfect papers count, that only the best will do, and that she's never allowed to make any mistake ever -- and I want her to know that owning up to ones mistakes and taking resonsibility for fixing them is as much a part of learning as anything else. I want her triumphs to be HERS not mine, and I want her missteps to her hers as well. The other thing I'm trying to teach her is to know when to say "I'm stuck and i need some help" because knowing when and how to ask for help without it constantly being offered is a big stepping stone in my book.
Just going back and re-reading here and I wanted to jump in...
<< I think you're both standing on the dock here while the point goes sailing past you -- it's not turning a vacation into a field trip it's not saying "ok kids we're going to study 1880s agrarian culture this year on vacatin yay!" is taking experience -- be it the arts, or history, or sciences or what have you and usuing them as a jumping off point to learn -- it doesnt' even have to be anything they're curretnly studying --it's using adventure and experiences -sometimes right next door, sometimes a world away -- to open up their eyes and senses to ways to learn that go beyond the classroom walls.
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>>I don't know about "most" parents, but there was an implication above that some parents will never be involved, so schools should just give up on that. I find that demeaning to the uninvolved parents.<<
LoL....I like that.
PumpkinAngel
....and involvement according to whom?
PumpkinAngel
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hey! Did you meet my son when he was in elementary school?? This was fairly typical. For HIM, it wasn't that he couldn't do the work, but would take FOREVER to get started. A 20-min. assignment would be 20 min. PLUS 2 hours and 40 min. of tantrumming.....and yes, there are some kids that NEED that time because the work ACTUALLY takes them that long.
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some kids bring alot to the table and won't hit an academic wall until much, much later. ALL kids hit it eventually...some in middle school, some in high school and some not until college.
eileen
Just going back and re-reading here and I wanted to jump in...
<< I think you're both standing on the dock here while the point goes sailing past you -- it's not turning a vacation into a field trip it's not saying "ok kids we're going to study 1880s agrarian culture this year on vacatin yay!" is taking experience -- be it the arts, or history, or sciences or what have you and usuing them as a jumping off point to learn -- it doesnt' even have to be anything they're curretnly studying --it's using adventure and experiences -sometimes right next door, sometimes a world away -- to open up their eyes and senses to ways to learn that go beyond the classroom walls.
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