Interestingly enough, another poster pointed out to me above that the good thing about NCLB is that it has forced schools to look at the kids who are failing. She says that when she was a kid, if you failed algebra, you failed it. It was considered your problem, and the school did not do anything special to help. I'm doubtful that all kids were getting it in my day, and we certainly had no afterschool tutoring or extra school resources for those kids. My brother was hearing impaired and got no additional help at school at all.
I don't know about sitting with your child for hours (that would suggest to me the school was giving too much homework), but I certainly don't consider being asked to check your child's homework a sign of a school in crisis. I don't know what you mean about teaching basic concepts, but I don't think reinforcing what your kids learn at school at home is a sign of crisis either. That's why I read with my kids, show them how cooking involves basic math, etc.
IME (ten years of upper elem and middle school), the kids who are really disorganized tend to do poorly. Is this a blanket rule for all kids? Of course not, but definitely a trend. And I don't think that forgetting to turn in homework once in a while is a huge deal (we actually had two HW passes in 6th grade per quarter per subject that bought students an extra day to get work in, precisely because even the best of us forget things on occassion), but there are kids who "forget" to turn in homework, classwork, even quizzes (yup. I've had that happen) on a regular basis. There is definitely a problem then. It's hard to evaluate a student who gives little evidence to evaluate.
I'm not saying that disorganized people can't be productive, just that IME students that are well organized, either through natural tendencies or learned skills, tend to do better in school. They don't lose assignments, forget their planners on the bus, misplace pencils, etc., at least not on a regular basis. Are there exceptions to this? You bet. I'm just going by my experience, all any of us can do, really.
I don't think dd was developmentally ready before this. I think that's borne out by seeing how many of the other kids in her class have the same issue.
No, it just means that you are comfortable letting your son "fail" in Scouts but not in school. Katie and I are comfortable allowing our kids fail in school as well. Or if you are uncomfortable with the word "fail", we allow our children to experience the natural consequences of not doing their work. Something that they need to learn before they are adults. And some kids need to learn that in all aspects of their childhood, not just one segment.
Okay maybe the word I'm looking for is typical. It is typical for a child to finish highschool in 4 years not 5. Am I correct that your child has special needs, an IEP something that makes him atypical in the school setting?
No, I'd "allow" them to fail--to turn in an assignment late and still get a 0 on it because it's late and repeat the grade if necessary. I have done it. And would do it again.
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so what are you saying..that a child disorganized is a natural place for him/her to be?
Interestingly enough, another poster pointed out to me above that the good thing about NCLB is that it has forced schools to look at the kids who are failing. She says that when she was a kid, if you failed algebra, you failed it. It was considered your problem, and the school did not do anything special to help. I'm doubtful that all kids were getting it in my day, and we certainly had no afterschool tutoring or extra school resources for those kids. My brother was hearing impaired and got no additional help at school at all.
I don't know about sitting with your child for hours (that would suggest to me the school was giving too much homework), but I certainly don't consider being asked to check your child's homework a sign of a school in crisis. I don't know what you mean about teaching basic concepts, but I don't think reinforcing what your kids learn at school at home is a sign of crisis either. That's why I read with my kids, show them how cooking involves basic math, etc.
IME (ten years of upper elem and middle school), the kids who are really disorganized tend to do poorly. Is this a blanket rule for all kids? Of course not, but definitely a trend. And I don't think that forgetting to turn in homework once in a while is a huge deal (we actually had two HW passes in 6th grade per quarter per subject that bought students an extra day to get work in, precisely because even the best of us forget things on occassion), but there are kids who "forget" to turn in homework, classwork, even quizzes (yup. I've had that happen) on a regular basis. There is definitely a problem then. It's hard to evaluate a student who gives little evidence to evaluate.
I'm not saying that disorganized people can't be productive, just that IME students that are well organized, either through natural tendencies or learned skills, tend to do better in school. They don't lose assignments, forget their planners on the bus, misplace pencils, etc., at least not on a regular basis. Are there exceptions to this? You bet. I'm just going by my experience, all any of us can do, really.
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I don't think dd was developmentally ready before this. I think that's borne out by seeing how many of the other kids in her class have the same issue.
No, it just means that you are comfortable letting your son "fail" in Scouts but not in school. Katie and I are comfortable allowing our kids fail in school as well. Or if you are uncomfortable with the word "fail", we allow our children to experience the natural consequences of not doing their work. Something that they need to learn before they are adults. And some kids need to learn that in all aspects of their childhood, not just one segment.
Chris
The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett
Okay maybe the word I'm looking for is typical. It is typical for a child to finish highschool in 4 years not 5. Am I correct that your child has special needs, an IEP something that makes him atypical in the school setting?
No, I'd "allow" them to fail--to turn in an assignment late and still get a 0 on it because it's late and repeat the grade if necessary. I have done it. And would do it again.
Chris
The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett
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