>> I suspect my dd is one and I'm almost positive sweetheart's dd is one -- saying "shape up" would be sufficient. That would be enough to make the child change their behavior. <<
Likewise here.
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Why hide your light under a bushel of bears, I ask you?
Yes, I used to do the same, and when that was not possible, I tried to get people jazzed up in other ways. Since I generally managed work that was not that interesting, that could be challenging, lol.
It is not the flashcards that do the trick, that's the point. Besides, if any teacher ever told me to do flashcards with my kid, I would have a very bad reaction, but that is a different issue entirely, lol.
Once again, you're wayyyyyy off on a tangent here. The crux of this debate, the crux of the "parental involvment shouldn't be required" has -- from almost post one -- centered around hands-on, regular, daily assistance with homework. Not a daily making sure it was done, not a general knowledge of assignments, not the occasional extra
" To say that a parent who you rely upon for teaching these basic skills is so uninvolved with her child that you couldn't possibly ask her to look at his homework now and then, or have him go through his math flashcards, sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. "
It may sound absolutely ridiculous to you, but keep in mind that you are now ridiculing a very large number of people who come from cultures with very different outlooks and values than that of the average middle-class American family. In those cultures, there is absolutely nothing ridiculous about a parent teaching a child basic life skills and not being involved in the formal educational process that is handled at school. Such a separation of formal and informal education is seen as perfectly reasonable and achievable.
Not being involved in formal school work to the extent of looking at the homework now and then or going through math flash cards (who does those these days, anyway?!?) does not in any way imply that such a parent is uninvolved with his/her child (why only "her" child, btw? By parental involvement are you really only meaning involvement on the part of the mother?). All it means is that for those parents, such participation may not be seen as necessary or may not be possible to provide. You keep declaring such parents to be "worthless" or "uninvolved with their children" simply because they don't happen to agree with you about the extent to which they ought to be involved in the process of the formal education of their children. Nice.
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>> I suspect my dd is one and I'm almost positive sweetheart's dd is one -- saying "shape up" would be sufficient. That would be enough to make the child change their behavior. <<
Likewise here.
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Why hide your light under a bushel of bears, I ask you?
Why hide your light under a bushel of bears, I ask you?
LOL, no, you missed it.
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Once again, you're wayyyyyy off on a tangent here. The crux of this debate, the crux of the "parental involvment shouldn't be required" has -- from almost post one -- centered around hands-on, regular, daily assistance with homework. Not a daily making sure it was done, not a general knowledge of assignments, not the occasional extra
" To say that a parent who you rely upon for teaching these basic skills is so uninvolved with her child that you couldn't possibly ask her to look at his homework now and then, or have him go through his math flashcards, sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. "
It may sound absolutely ridiculous to you, but keep in mind that you are now ridiculing a very large number of people who come from cultures with very different outlooks and values than that of the average middle-class American family. In those cultures, there is absolutely nothing ridiculous about a parent teaching a child basic life skills and not being involved in the formal educational process that is handled at school. Such a separation of formal and informal education is seen as perfectly reasonable and achievable.
Not being involved in formal school work to the extent of looking at the homework now and then or going through math flash cards (who does those these days, anyway?!?) does not in any way imply that such a parent is uninvolved with his/her child (why only "her" child, btw? By parental involvement are you really only meaning involvement on the part of the mother?). All it means is that for those parents, such participation may not be seen as necessary or may not be possible to provide. You keep declaring such parents to be "worthless" or "uninvolved with their children" simply because they don't happen to agree with you about the extent to which they ought to be involved in the process of the formal education of their children. Nice.
DAMMIT! Warn me next time.
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