Which model is more like the historical

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Which model is more like the historical
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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 9:59am

Which model is more like the historical model? SAH or WOH?

Once you get past the idealized 1950's, I think the DWP model is closer to the historicalm model with both parents involved in both the upbringing of children and working to support the household. In the past, women's labors have been critical to the success of the family. Men needed wives in order to be able to support a family.

Today, Men don't need wives. They can support a family just fine without one. So little of the work at home remains that what is left is easily hired out and for not much money.

When mom does SAH today, she's not working with her dh to support their family, she's just home with the kids. Dad, in the meantime has gone away for long stretches of time while mom is actually spending more time on the kids. Gone are the days of three meals a day together as a family. I think the current model creates an inequality in parenting that simply didn't exist 100 years ago. I think fathers were far more important in the past and have, too often, been reduced to wage earners today.

What are your thoughts on how parenting today compares to the past?

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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 10:08am

I disagree.

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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 11:08am
Why can't a family have 3 meals a day anymore together? If I was a sahm and my dh worked close to home, he could come home for lunch and that would mean all 3 meals would be eaten together.
We eat dinner together 7 days a week. I know we are out of the ordinary nowadays by having dinner together everyday.
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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 11:19am

Why do you keep using the mother of long past only in the agricultural arena?

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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 11:41am
I agree.
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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 12:43pm

"Which model is more like the historical model? SAH or WOH?"

Which "historical model" are you referring to? Are you suggesting there is but one? That the "historical model" has not changed over say...the last 100,000+ years? I would say that it has changed and evolved quite a bit over the years and for good reason. I would even go so far as to say that it will continue to change and evolve for many years to come.

Again, what "historical model" are you referring to here? Furthermore, are you of the opinion that this model...whatever it may be...is such a spectacular model that it is somehow above all improvement or betterment? Above any further change or necessary evolution?

We've come a long way baby...but we still have a long way to go :)

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Registered: 10-17-2003
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 1:18pm
Neither. WAH seems to best describe the historical way of things. Women didn't leave the house to work but most definitely did work.
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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 1:30pm

"Children today are far safer than they ever have been, they're healthier, and they're better educated. And a large reason why is because we give them space to actually be children, rather than treating them like miniature adults that can fend for themselves."

ITA.

What is so admirable about this so called "historical model" again?

The high rates of infant/child mortality??? The high rates of child labor??? The high rates of uneducation children??? The high rates of abused and mistreated children???

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Registered: 08-18-2007
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 1:46pm

I don't think there is a centuries' old model. You'd have to go decade by decade. Sometimes year by year to determine whether most mothers woh, wah or not. And country by country too.

After wars in the US when times were good and money was extremely good, then more mothers stayed home and were unemployed. But when money was tight and it took two incomes for a family to live well, then mothers couldn't afford to stay home with their children. It's all about the economy IMO.

<> I'm sure you're just trying to stir up debate and all, but there's no way you could hire someone(s) to do what I do as a sahm. I've tried!

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I so wish that's the way it were in my family! Maybe you can speak with my husband.

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Fri, 08-31-2007 - 1:47pm

parenting is what you make it out to be. i catch myself in convesation with my dad,sometimes..his words of wisdom are so,so comforting because even in tough times,he's able to offer understanding and experience in a way that still applies. and all of us are grown.




Edited 8/31/2007 1:49 pm ET by egd3blessed

 

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Registered: 07-18-2007
Fri, 08-31-2007 - 1:58pm
I thought the same because until the 19th century, most people lived in agrarian societies where nearly everyone worked for sustenance.

Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man-The Big Lebowski 

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