Why should I support someone else?

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Registered: 12-27-2006
Why should I support someone else?
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Sat, 12-30-2006 - 1:24pm

Let me start by saying that I"m new here so this may have already been discussed, but this has come up in my office several times and I wanted to get some other views of this.

I do payroll for a rather small company so I know most of the workers and their wives (most of the workers are men due to the nature of our business). There are two in particular who's wives SAH. These two are up to their eyeballs in debt. I have bill collectors constantly calling for them. That part is really their business, it is annoying but I enjoy being rude back to the bill collectors, lol.

The part that bothers me is that both wives have been in the office wanting copies of X amount of check stubs so that they can go and get public assistance (I know because they told me that is what it is for)! Why should my tax money go so that these women can SAH? I know that not all families that one parent stays at home are like this, but I know lots that are. Heck, growing up we were always broke because my mother refused to work, but we weren't on any public assistance.

So, why should I pay for a woman to SAH? Why can't she go and get a job to support her family just like anyone else?

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Registered: 11-20-2006
Thu, 02-22-2007 - 10:39pm
I probably would not be surprised. The only "type of person" that anyone indicated would be the type to be at one of those parties would be the type of person who doesn't care that it is illegal.
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Registered: 11-15-2006
Thu, 02-22-2007 - 11:01pm

Im not sure i would view it as criminal but yes, a grounds for being fired if it is agianst company policy.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Thu, 02-22-2007 - 11:45pm

Trust me my sister spends plenty on her kids and will spend whatever is necessary.

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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 1:09am

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So what? The murderer of animals don't typically do time, either, but killing/maiming animals is a serious sign of sociopathic behavior. The likeliehood of jail is hardly indicative of the morality of an action.

But I find this continual justification of stealing from other people fascinating beyond words.

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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 1:36am
True. But I wasn't comparing pimping to the sale of fake designer bags. Just prostitution.
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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 1:38am
That lesson is taught rather thoroughly in the third grade school yard, is it not? ;)
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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 2:28am

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So what if they are? What does that have to do with the immorality of supporting organized crime? Of the immorality of stealing money from hardworking honest people?

Where does the Constitution protect your inalienable right to have expensive things whether you can afford them or not?

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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 2:36am

Doesn't matter if they're from the same source or not. Fake bags can ONLY come from illegal sources, because you cannot legally steal trademarked goods. Hence, wherever your bags come from, they were criminally created. They are stolen. They are made by criminals, distributed by criminals, sold by criminals. And supported by those who support criminals. They are tainted. They have the stench of child labor, slave labor, drug money and every other evil associated with organized crime.

there is no possible way for anyone to justify that *their* fake might not be tainted. They are all tainted. There is no exception where someone made a fake designer bag legally. They all reek.

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Registered: 05-09-2006
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 2:47am

Of course you know. You ALWAYS know. Knock offs are illegal. Making them is illegal. Profiting AT ALL from them is illegal. Profit or not, it is NEVER EVER legitimate or honest.

the very act of someone doing it, profit or not, is sufficient proof that the someone is a thief and a cheat.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 02-23-2007 - 4:15am

Not that story, but another story about a purse party runner getting busted:

In Cleveland: http://www.cleveland.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/living/1166348962101340.xml&coll=2

In Boston: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/11/04/cache_of_knockoff_bags_triggers_federal_case/

In FL and Long Island: http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/print/story.aspx?storyid=36

"Across the country, authorities are making good on pledges to crack down. Last month, two men were arrested in Palm Beach County for selling fakes at a purse party. A Long Island, New York, woman was arrested in March and charged with a felony for selling knockoffs from her home. She has pleaded not guilty."

In Detroit: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,994774-2,00.html

In NOVA (probably the particular case you were looking for): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/02/AR2007020201682.html

"The investigation of the Ohris began with an anonymous tip from a partygoer, according to court documents and law enforcement officials. Federal agents then raided the home of one of the purse ladies, recovering about 100 handbags and self-adhesive designer labels. That led to a raid at the Ohris' warehouse in Lorton, where 30,000 purses were recovered, along with more than 100 phony Kate Spade labels in a desk drawer, court documents said"

I will leave it at that, but if you google you can find many more. It is also interesting that in many states, if there is more than 1000 dollars involved, the seller can be charged with a felony.

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