Will there always be a gender wage gap?

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Will there always be a gender wage gap?
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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 4:43pm

According to an opinion piece in Bloomberg, it should never go away.  Jezebel discussed it on their site: 

That's the TL;DR version of National Review senior editor Ramesh Ponnuru's Bloomberg op-ed on how the gender wage gap (which he calls an "obsession" of feminist groups) is NBD. "Here's the truth you won't hear," Ponnuru writes. "The pay gap is exaggerated, discrimination doesn't drive it and it's not clear that government can eliminate it — or should even try." Tell us more about how it's cool that we get paid less than our male peers, oh wise one!

Ponnuru's regurgitated talking points are nothing new: he says the gender wage gap is a result of how women choose to work fewer hours than men — "choices made by women concerning the amount of time and energy to devote to a career," because when they're off work they're probably just painting their nails and watching Real Housewives — and how they're more likely to "have gaps in their employment history and to enter lower-paying fields."

You can read their review of the piece at this link, it also contains a link to the Bloomberg article: http://jezebel.com/5934551/epic-mansplainer-wonders-why-women-cant-just-shut-up-about-the-gender-wage-gap-already/

They provide pretty compelling arguments that women's choices aren't the reason for the gender wage gap, that it's still their even for childless women, and ones just out of college.  

Do you think that there is a gap in pay between men and women?    If so, do you think that women can overcome it in the future?

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Wed, 08-15-2012 - 10:39am
Who really cares? Maybe that woman who is in the office doing the exact same work as the man next to her, only for 25% less money? Because it turns out your mortgage broker, grocery store, utility companies, and health care providers aren't offering a 25% female-consumer discount .
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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 9:03am
I think there will be a wage gap for a good many years to come. It seems to me (or at least based on what I'm exposed to) that there is an anti-feminism swing out there. So many fundamentalist Christian churches seem to be emphasizing the "Authority of Men" philosophies and how men are the heads of their households and women are the "help meet" to the man.

I see this philosophy on the Internet, in articles, etc. I know a lot of Churches around here are adopting that philosophy. Even my own Church is starting a men's group and the literature I've seen about it so far disturbs me as how it seems to focus on men "retaking their role as leader", as if they've lost that role or deserve it back if they did lose it.

I think if this philosophy is so popular amount the conservative Christian churches and the country seems to becoming more dominated by them, especially in government, how are women going to get ahead in the business world?
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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 3:16pm

 I have never  seen an income gap for those doing the same job.  I grew up in the blue collar/factory world, then spent a lot of years in the military world.  In both of those worlds there is a set wage.  Some  things that may effect that pay may be senority or rank,  not gender.

 Where I have seen the difference is males having more of the supervisory roles, which of course pay more.  An example would be in an elementary school full of female teachers,  the principal is a male.   But I think that has changed a lot in my lifetime. 

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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 5:25pm

he says the gender wage gap is a result of how women choose to work fewer hours than men

Well, that's just crap.

I would like to believe that one day something akin to the ERA amendment will pass. I would like to believe that one day there will not need to be lawsuits like the Ledbetter suit - because it will be unnecessary. I would like to believe that one day no woman will have to endure, as a I have, a boss and male co-workers explaining that women should be paid less for the same work because "someday" a woman will stop working to raise a family but they, as males, will have to support a wife and children so it only makes sense that they make more.

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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 5:27pm

I've read that more women are in college today than men, And if that means anything maybe more women will take the lead later on then too.

Women are already, generally, more educated than men, but they do not make more money.

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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 5:30pm

it turns out your mortgage broker, grocery store, utility companies, and health care providers aren't offering a 25% female-consumer discount .

Maybe that should be the new approach. Women should always get a 25% consumer discount! I'm liking it.

Sadly, I think it is more probably than equal pay for equal work.

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Fri, 08-17-2012 - 10:47am
Jam, there are politics in every school situation I have been in. Does this scenario have anything to do with discrimination against women in the workplace, or we're you just sharing a little something from your day? I don't know what we are supposed to take from that story.
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Fri, 08-17-2012 - 11:54am
I think two things are at play here. One, I think that many churches are missing the mark. The man being the head of the household is a spiritual matter, not an authoritative one. Two, even when churches are "doing it right", the general public misunderstands, and churches are not doing a very good job of explaining the head of the household. Therefore, the secular world is swinging towards anti-feminism, and the church is being blamed for it.
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Fri, 08-17-2012 - 11:56am
Says one who obviously doesn't understand it.
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Fri, 08-17-2012 - 3:43pm

Some further food for thought, a different study found that of laid off workers, it took married moms longer to find a new job: 

Recent research has shown that employers will choose a dad over a mom because they fear that moms won’t be as available or committed to the job, Moroto says.

The assumption is that moms are more likely than dads to make the family their top priority. So, if a child gets sick, it will be the mom, and not the dad, who takes time off from work.

http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/08/17/13320111-moms-are-bearing-the-brunt-of-recession-study-shows?lite

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