Working Moms Are to Blame...Really?

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Working Moms Are to Blame...Really?
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Wed, 06-05-2013 - 5:08pm

Talk about having to do some fast backtracking:

Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) said Tuesday that America’s educational troubles began when women began working outside the home in large numbers.

Bryant was participating in a Washington Post Live event focused on the importance of ensuring that children read well by the end of third grade. In response to a question about how America became “so mediocre” in regard to educational outcomes, he said:

I think both parents started working. And the mom is in the work place.

Bryant immediately recognized how controversial his remark would be and said he knew  he would start to get e-mails. He then expanded on his answer, saying that “both parents are so pressured” in families today.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/06/04/mississippi-governor-educational-troubles-began-when-mom-got-in-the-workplace/?tid=pm_pop

Huffington Post blogger, Kristin Rowe-Finkbeiner, had a good response to it.  She said that it's not the working moms to blame, it's the lack of support of working moms: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-rowefinkbeiner/working-moms-just-blamed_b_3387089.html?utm_hp_ref=parents&ir=Parents

What do you think of both of their positions?

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Thu, 06-06-2013 - 11:58am

It's no coincidence 3rd grade is plugged in here, that's when state tests start.  Perhaps that's the tool this governor uses and bases her thoughts on. 

 

 

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Thu, 06-06-2013 - 12:03pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Involved parents costs nothing so forgive me if I'm not impressed by your comments about public funding.

I think you missed the point of my comments, involved parents is only one piece of a much bigger puzzle.  My guess is that involved parents in an underfunded district wouldn't be too impressed with the lack of understanding of the entire picture.

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Thu, 06-06-2013 - 12:20pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>It's no coincidence 3rd grade is plugged in here, that's when state tests start.  Perhaps that's the tool this governor uses and bases her thoughts on. </p>

Good point.  Thanks.

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Thu, 06-06-2013 - 1:13pm

Some parents where I live must be too involved.  This year, I noticed that 2 teachers arranged for some projects (research and the actual poster making) to be done entirely during the school day.  One teacher honestly told us parents that, she wanted the students to do all of the work.  In other words, she's fed up with assignments done by the parents!  I don't know if it's a function of bored sahps/wohps with too much free time.


When my dd moved from catholic school to public school i was amazed (and RELIEVED) at the lack of gigantic project assignments coming home - her writing teacher told me they too now have nearly all big projects done in class because they needed to level the playing field -- her school serves both the wealthiest and the poorest neighborhoods in my city and so the kids who were recently arrived refugees or immigrants or working class poor who lived in the center city were not capable of producing at home the kind of projects that the kids in the more genteel part of town could - the kids  who had involved parents who were basically doing the whole project for them -- or even those moms and dads who had the time and resources to drive out to the mall to shop for supplies at Michael's or Hobby Lobby-- which is hard to do when you have no car and dont speak enough English to figure out the bus route-- it was very eye opening but I appreciated how they were doing their best to make sure all the kids had at least the same level ground form which to start.   (and for moms like me for whome the words "make a display board" can strike terror to the depths of my heart - it is greatly relieving!)

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Thu, 06-06-2013 - 1:56pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>More than just observations I imagine. </p><p>If you were to poll teachers I think you'd hear similar stories..  A lot of problems in education are b/c of hands off parents, broken homes and parents that just don't care. </p>

You do realize, don't you, that 1) hands off parents and working parents (errr, working moms) are not synonomous nor is hands-off synonomous with divorced parents, 2) *broken homes* is a misnomer - homes of single or divorced parents are not broken. There are *many* homes of married parents that are broken too, 3) parents that just don't care is not synonomous with working parents or divorced parents.

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Fri, 06-07-2013 - 6:49am

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p><strong><em>Some parents where I live must be too involved.  This year, I noticed that 2 teachers arranged for some projects (research and the actual poster making) to be done entirely during the school day.  One teacher honestly told us parents that, she wanted the students to do all of the work.  In other words, she's fed up with assignments done by the parents!  I don't know if it's a function of bored sahps/wohps with too much free time.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em><br /></em></strong></p><p>When my dd moved from catholic school to public school i was amazed (and RELIEVED) at the lack of gigantic project assignments coming home - her writing teacher told me they too now have nearly all big projects done in class because they needed to level the playing field -- her school serves both the wealthiest and the poorest neighborhoods in my city and so the kids who were recently arrived refugees or immigrants or working class poor who lived in the center city were not capable of producing at home the kind of projects that the kids in the more genteel part of town could - the kids  who had involved parents who were basically doing the whole project for them -- or even those moms and dads who had the time and resources to drive out to the mall to shop for supplies at Michael's or Hobby Lobby-- which is hard to do when you have no car and dont speak enough English to figure out the bus route-- it was very eye opening but I appreciated how they were doing their best to make sure all the kids had at least the same level ground form which to start.   (and for moms like me for whome the words "make a display board" can strike terror to the depths of my heart - it is greatly relieving!) <strong><em><br /></em></strong></p>

That sounds great.  I am certain teachers with years of experience can tell which kids did their projects and which parents did the projects.   It must interfere with grading though ~ a teacher knows mom or dad are going to expect a top grade on "their" display board.  Teachers don't want that headache.  I'm actually an advocate of not sheltering children.  Kids have to do their own projects, though mom and dad should make sure the work gets done.  And I don't mind the whole "teaching to the test" thing either.  Much of my education turned completely on the outcome of a single, standardized test ~ high school, college, grad school, certification to work in my old profession.  I went to Catholic and a private school.  I think a good public school is preferable where I live. 

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Fri, 06-07-2013 - 6:52am

savcal2011 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;More than just observations I imagine. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you were to poll teachers I think you'd hear similar stories..  A lot of problems in education are b/c of hands off parents, broken homes and parents that just don't care. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>You do realize, don't you, that 1) hands off parents and working parents (errr, working moms) are not synonomous nor is hands-off synonomous with divorced parents, 2) *broken homes* is a misnomer - homes of single or divorced parents are not broken. There are *many* homes of married parents that are broken too, 3) parents that just don't care is not synonomous with working parents or divorced parents.</p>

Where did Jamblessed mention the term "working" at all?  Why be so defensive?  I agree a better term has to be coined for "broken home" but there are so many homes with a single parent now that a new term should be invented sooner rather than later. 

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Fri, 06-07-2013 - 7:52am

thardy2001 wrote:
Where did Jamblessed mention the term "working" at all?  Why be so defensive?  I agree a better term has to be coined for "broken home" but there are so many homes with a single parent now that a new term should be invented sooner rather than later.  </p>

Umm, she was responding to the OP, which was about working mothers, with comments about "similar stories".  It was a logical progressive though that she was including working mothers in her comments.

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Fri, 06-07-2013 - 10:32am

savcal2011 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>Where did Jamblessed mention the term "working" at all?  Why be so defensive?  I agree a better term has to be coined for "broken home" but there are so many homes with a single parent now that a new term should be invented sooner rather than later.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Umm, she was responding to the OP, which was about working mothers, with comments about "similar stories".  It was a logical progressive though that she was including working mothers in her comments.</p>

Umm, you're clearly adding your insecurities here.  Read what was written.  Jamblessed did not use the words working moms.   And your personal reaction to a common term "broken homes" was excessive and insecure as well.  Don't attack Jamblessed.  Discuss the OP.  Thanks.

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Fri, 06-07-2013 - 1:47pm
Bwahahahahahahahah!

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