About parenting, education, violence, etc

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About parenting, education, violence, etc
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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 10:39am

My daughter and her class were asked to find a number of arguments here, The transcript is longer than this 3 minute video and it touches on a few issues we have tossed around here.  It's pretty cool to me that a teacher is wanting students perspective about this and as I await her return from school to tell me how it went today I wanted to take this to the board, How real is this IYO/E?  Are parents in or out of the loop about their childrens lives?  How do children get a proper education when their lives away from school contradict that?  Thoughts?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh3_e3mDQ8

Dislaimer, Cosby is known for stirring the pot when he speaks but this is not a minority issue.  Kids are thinkers and I commend her teacher for asking them to think outside the box here.  

 

 

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 11:27am

I think that this could be an interesting conversation. It's too bad you're only posting to make personal digs at people. 

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 11:43am

Good thread Jams. Sad that others know that they have dropped the ball and cant get into an intelligent conversation about it.

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 11:52am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>My daughter and her class were asked to find a number of arguments here, The transcript is longer than this 3 minute video and it touches on a few issues we have tossed around here.  It's pretty cool to me that a teacher is wanting students perspective about this and as I await her return from school to tell me how it went today I wanted to take this to the board, How real is this IYO/E?  Are parents in or out of the loop about their childrens lives?  How do children get a proper education when their lives away from school contradict that?  Thoughts?  </p><p><span>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh3_e3mDQ8</span></p><p><span></span><span>Dislaimer, Cosby is known for stirring the pot when he speaks but this is not a minority issue.  Kids are thinkers and I commend her teacher for asking them to think outside the box here.  </span></p>

Here as in the Bill Cosby speech?   It's pretty real in many areas, there are parents in the loop, parents who have checked out and everything in between.  How would you define a proper education and do you really what out thoughts or is just more basis for your passive agressive make believe comments?  

Honestly, I'm not sure why you think this is outside the box, I would ask that question but it's not any more likely you will answer that than any of the others...

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 11:55am

blackandwhitemolly wrote:
<p>Good thread Jams. Sad that others know that they have dropped the ball and cant get into an intelligent conversation about it.</p>

You clearly didn't answer the questions, instead commenting on others,  so why do you feel that you can't get into the conversation?  

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 11:55am

I'll take that as a no comment marla, smh.

Thanks molly, I think what my kid is doing at school is pretty neat too, I hand it to her teacher for opening minds up to issues we tend to only have opinions about as adults as well.  

 

 

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 12:03pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>I'll take that as a no comment marla, smh.</p><p><span>Thanks molly, I think what my kid is doing at school is pretty neat too, I hand it to her teacher for opening minds up to issues we tend to only have opinions about as adults too. </span></p>

Here is the full transcript of the speech...Did the teacher base the questions on the edited blurb of the full speech?

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 12:04pm
It's very difficult to overcome the problems of poverty and ignorance that are the realities that many of our children face. School can be a lifeline for kids from chaotic and disadvantaged backgrounds. I've always supported providing the best education possible for every child. It's expensive, and it's hard. But it's the only thing that stands a chance of working, and it's cheaper than the alternatives.
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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 12:32pm

bordwithyou wrote:
It's very difficult to overcome the problems of poverty and ignorance that are the realities that many of our children face. School can be a lifeline for kids from chaotic and disadvantaged backgrounds. I've always supported providing the best education possible for every child. It's expensive, and it's hard. But it's the only thing that stands a chance of working, and it's cheaper than the alternatives.

It is also somewhat unfortunate that my children have no clue about Mr Cosby's concerns. Their schools are not diverse, and I can't say there are gun-wielding teens anywhere in our neighborhoods with poundcakes.

Now, there may be poundcake wielding teen shoplifters from among their peers, but it's usually not parental neglect that enables that, just defiant teen behavior. 95%+ of the kids in my children's public high school, on average, will pursue higher education. We handpicked our district because of the educational opportunities and peer incentives.

My brother is the chair on the English dept at a disadvantaged high school. His experience as a teacher, and his experience as a parent in the top public school in the state, were eye opening for anyone who wants to listen to him. He's rather like the ancient Mariner, but he cares about his students success almost as much as he cares about his own children, but he can only make a marginal impact on hus student's lives. Poverty, parental and societal neglect, and lack of resources and support is impossible to overcome.

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 12:41pm

Just saw this article on CNN. I can't imagine living and going to school in such an atmosphere.

(CNN) -- Nightly gunshots wake Veronica Morris.

When the community organizer walks down her block in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood, she is reminded of the officer who was shot there.

Violence even surrounded her high school. Shots constantly rang out around the streets by the school building. Her junior year, a police car crashed right in front of her class.

"The violence is something we deal with daily and it's a real struggle," Morris said. "You get scared and youth here are angry when their friends are shot. The violence really does something to a person."

"It's sometimes bigger than the crime itself," Morris said. "It affects you more, maybe even more than the person injured, because it lingers."

Studies show her experience is shared by thousands of Americans who live in tough urban areas.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/urban-ptsd-problems/index.html?sr=tw032714ptsdzipcode1230pvodtop

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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 12:47pm

blackandwhitemolly wrote:
<p>Good thread Jams. Sad that others know that they have dropped the ball and cant get into an intelligent conversation about it.</p>

I was unaware that if Marla's SD has a baby as a teen, that's the same think as shooting someone in the back of the head over a soda.  Thanks for you "insight".

However, I agree with her and your post is living proof.  It's impossible on this forum to have an intelligent discussion with you and Jams there ready to toss in your ignorance and biases and stupidity at every turn.

I think I'll just steal Jams' lead in and the link for a discussion elsewhere and see what can't be salvaged.

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