About parenting, education, violence, etc

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About parenting, education, violence, etc
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Thu, 03-27-2014 - 10:39am

My daughter and her class were asked to find a number of arguments here, The transcript is longer than this 3 minute video and it touches on a few issues we have tossed around here.  It's pretty cool to me that a teacher is wanting students perspective about this and as I await her return from school to tell me how it went today I wanted to take this to the board, How real is this IYO/E?  Are parents in or out of the loop about their childrens lives?  How do children get a proper education when their lives away from school contradict that?  Thoughts?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh3_e3mDQ8

Dislaimer, Cosby is known for stirring the pot when he speaks but this is not a minority issue.  Kids are thinkers and I commend her teacher for asking them to think outside the box here.  

 

 

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 4:34pm

grapthars_hammer wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;It must really get tiresome to spend your time on ivillage ripping molly and I apart jzy. I hear insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Perhaps you'd like to curve your own behaviors.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>I'm pretty sure that "curving" my behavior would not result in your wish to see me leave iVillage, Jeanne.  Sorry about that.  And for the record, I am not disappointed with my posting here on iVillage.  I don't want different results.  I have no expectations that anything will change.  Hell, I count on the fact that you and Ginger will remain just as awful as ever.</p>

Oh Karen, You win.  I can't imagine putting down others the way you do, Were you raised that way?  

 

 

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 4:39pm

I used to sign my name to my jamblessedthree posts all the time, Lol. What interesting twists that has led to now.

 

 

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 5:03pm

litlmiss_cantbewrong wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">just_another_marla</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;After reading the transcript, I have a difficult time with the statement that this isn't racial. Im guessing the school that this student attends isn't very diverse. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>I thought it was Jams who said this wasn't racial.  I don't know how you could separate race from this speech.  The speech was at an event commemorating Brown vs. Board of Education.  Whoever said it wasn't about race should actually look up what that lawsuit was, because they must not know.</p><p> Bill Cosby seemed to be addressing those people of his own race in the lower SES that live in neighborhoods full of poverty and crime.  I did not see <span style="text-decoration:underline">any</span> evidence that Bill Cosby was addressing <span style="text-decoration:underline">all</span> of those living in crime and poverty stricken neighborhoods.  </p>

Well, Cosby probably was addressing an audience mostly of minorities given the case.  My DD's teacher opened it up to her whole class, black, white, hispanic and other.  If you think the topics he brought up - from education to language to violence and entitlement - are limited to a black community you are wrong.  And the objective of my child's teacher was to get kids' perspectives from all backgrounds too.  

 

 

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 5:41pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">litlmiss_cantbewrong</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;just_another_marla&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;After reading the transcript, I have a difficult time with the statement that this isn't racial. Im guessing the school that this student attends isn't very diverse. &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I thought it was Jams who said this wasn't racial.  I don't know how you could separate race from this speech.  The speech was at an event commemorating Brown vs. Board of Education.  Whoever said it wasn't about race should actually look up what that lawsuit was, because they must not know.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Bill Cosby seemed to be addressing those people of his own race in the lower SES that live in neighborhoods full of poverty and crime.  I did not see &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline"&gt;any&lt;/span&gt; evidence that Bill Cosby was addressing &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of those living in crime and poverty stricken neighborhoods.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Well, Cosby probably was addressing an audience mostly of minorities given the case.  My DD's teacher opened it up to her whole class, black, white, hispanic and other.  If you think the topics he brought up - from education to language to violence and entitlement - are limited to a black community you are wrong.  And the objective of my child's teacher was to get kids' perspectives from all backgrounds too.  </p>

The Pound Cake speech was given by Bill Cosby in May 2004 during an NAACP awards ceremony in Washington, D.C., to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Did the teacher lay out the context of the speech? A rich black man who lived through Jim Crow, desegregation, and the 60s civil right movement who now blames blacks in poverty for their own unemployment and racial achievement gaps?

The speech is not applicable to a middle class high school students unless discussed in the context of intended subjects and audience.

If this teacher wanted to discuss poverty, violence, education, and entitlement without regard to race this was a pretty poor place to start.

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 6:53pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">grapthars_hammer</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;It must really get tiresome to spend your time on ivillage ripping molly and I apart jzy. I hear insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Perhaps you'd like to curve your own behaviors.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm pretty sure that "curving" my behavior would not result in your wish to see me leave iVillage, Jeanne.  Sorry about that.  And for the record, I am not disappointed with my posting here on iVillage.  I don't want different results.  I have no expectations that anything will change.  Hell, I count on the fact that you and Ginger will remain just as awful as ever.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Oh Karen, You win.  I can't imagine putting down others the way you do, Were you raised that way?  </p>
  You just insinuaed she was crazy.  That's not a put down?  And did you mean she should "curb" her behavior?  I don't know what "curve your behavior means.

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 7:31pm

blackandwhitemolly wrote:
<p>Is there a reason you need to use names, Karen? I thought that was a big no, no in the TOS rules? BAER</p>

I'm reasonably assured that iVillage is so desperate for clicks in its user forums that it's completely schitcanned its TOS.  Thanks for asking, Ginger.

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 7:34pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">grapthars_hammer</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;It must really get tiresome to spend your time on ivillage ripping molly and I apart jzy. I hear insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Perhaps you'd like to curve your own behaviors.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm pretty sure that "curving" my behavior would not result in your wish to see me leave iVillage, Jeanne.  Sorry about that.  And for the record, I am not disappointed with my posting here on iVillage.  I don't want different results.  I have no expectations that anything will change.  Hell, I count on the fact that you and Ginger will remain just as awful as ever.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Oh Karen, You win.  I can't imagine putting down others the way you do, Were you raised that way?  </p>

Raised to call out bullies and whiners like you and Ginger, Jeanne?  Yup.  In my family, we don't kowtow to the kind of viciousness and stalkery goodness than you and Ginger engage in.

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 8:22pm

grapthars_hammer wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;grapthars_hammer&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;jamblessedthree&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;It must really get tiresome to spend your time on ivillage ripping molly and I apart jzy. I hear insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Perhaps you'd like to curve your own behaviors.&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;I'm pretty sure that "curving" my behavior would not result in your wish to see me leave iVillage, Jeanne.  Sorry about that.  And for the record, I am not disappointed with my posting here on iVillage.  I don't want different results.  I have no expectations that anything will change.  Hell, I count on the fact that you and Ginger will remain just as awful as ever.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh Karen, You win.  I can't imagine putting down others the way you do, Were you raised that way?  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Raised to call out bullies and whiners like you and Ginger, Jeanne?  Yup.  In my family, we don't kowtow to the kind of viciousness and stalkery goodness than you and Ginger engage in.</p>

That says a lot, thanks for sharing.  I was curious.  

 


 


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Oh boy what a laugh I just got.

Remember who tried multiple times to get a man to marry you to no avail and then marries the next chick that comes along and stays married for many, many, years. Lololol. Tells ya something. Hmmmm....chew on that one :)

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Fri, 03-28-2014 - 9:30pm

blackandwhitemolly wrote:
<p>Oh boy what a laugh I just got.</p><p>Remember who tried multiple times to get a man to marry you to no avail and then marries the next chick that comes along and stays married for many, many, years. Lololol. Tells ya something. Hmmmm....chew on that one :)</p>
Oh come on!  That's the best you've got?  Insinuations about a relationship gone wrong some thirty years ago?  I think that been swallowed, digested, and eliminated a quarter of a century ago.  Don't look now, but your desperation is showing.

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