Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?

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Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?
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Mon, 11-14-2011 - 5:16pm

Target is facing some backlash about their decision to open up on Thanksgiving night in order to compete with other big box stores:

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:39am

i was just at walmart and the cashier lady told me her shift last night ended at 10:00 and she had to be back up tehre at 6:00 this morning, it didn't sound like to me that was a normal schedule for her.

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:43am
but those occupations are used to late hours or holiday hours, a retailer opening at midnight or 1:00 in the morning when they normally don't do that is asking a lot, salesclerks don't get paid enough to ask that of them, IMO.

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:43am
i get this!

 

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Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:46am
Super WMs and Super Targets are often open 24 hours anyway. I'd think those being hired on would expect the possibility of an overnight or late shift.

We all take on things - in the name of our job - that are unexpected. In my time, I've worked many a night until 10pm or midnight. Even though my "hours" were 8-5.

Does it kinda stink? Sure. But it isn't unfair or unethical or crappy of retail stores to do.

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Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:51am

I agree.

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Tue, 11-15-2011 - 12:08pm

I agree.


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Registered: 05-31-2011
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 12:41pm

I've always suspected that retail management spreads out the schedule just thin enough to make the employees hungry for more, making them willing and happy to get the extra when available.

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Tue, 11-15-2011 - 1:09pm
IME, retail managers must have significant "excess capacity" because of the high turnover and because people are always calling in sick, quitting, not showing up, or because the volume/sales/customer traffic isn't predictable.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Registered: 01-31-2007
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 4:00pm

Just because they are open 24/7 does not mean that all the employees work 24/7. My fiance works at Wal-Mart in the electronics department. He never works before 7 in the morning and never after 11 at night. That's just when the electronics employees work. There are employees that have signed up for the night shifts - they get paid more than ones that work daytime. Just like any nurse, gas station attendant, waiter / waitress, etc. You set your availability when you start working there.

So most of these employees that are required to work these insane hours on Black Friday are *not* working the hours in their availability. My fiance has to go into work at 3:30 in the morning on Black Friday and work a 10 - 12 hour shift (depending on how long they need him). He's not bitching. It was kind of a give-in when you start working at a major retail store that Black Friday is going to be the worst day of your life.

My problem with it (Mine - only kinda his) is that Wal-Mart told all of their employees that from November to after New Years day, they were not allowed to request any time off. And that all of their days off were going to be staggered. No one was going to get two days off in a row.

Every smaller retail store that I've ever worked at during college let you choose a couple of days between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Not a vacation - but just two or three days off in a row so that people who travel to see their families could do so.

His family lives about six hours away. Even though Wal-Mart is closed on Thanksgiving day and Christmas day, he will not be able to see them for either holiday - not even in-between those holidays.

It's not that big of a deal for us. We're in college, not married, and don't have any children. He does not plan on working for them his entire life. So it sucks right now, but it isn't going to last forever. But imagine how the people who have worked there for years, made a career out it, and have children feel. That would mean that they would get less and less time with their children and family on the holidays every single year - for the rest of their lives. If they had to travel to see their families, they couldn't do it - every single year.

And this wouldn't just be about Thanksgiving day or Christmas day. Your child has a Christmas Pageant, concert, any other school function? Well, you'd better hope that it just happens to fall on one of your days off or happens between the hours that you are working - because you cannot request the time off (even months in advance) - every single year of your life.

The fact of the matter is, these holiday hours are getting more and more ridiculous for the employees every year. This year it is pushing the mandatory time for shifts on Black Friday to 1:00 a.m. Instead of 5 a.m. What is it going to be eventually?

So you've put in over-time hours? Good for you. So have I. I've put in a great deal of over-time without complaining. So has my fiance. So have most people.

But did most of that over-time fall on or around holidays? Every time? Every year? For months on end?

I guess it doesn't matter too much. Some housewife can score $10.00 off her blue-ray player, so it makes it all worth it. Retail employees can not only be screamed at and berated (like they always are on a regular basis anyway - but this time in mass volume), but trampled and pushed. But isn't that why they get paid minimum wage with no benefits? F*ck, they should be grateful. How dare they want a couple extra hours; I need my new Iphone!

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Tue, 11-15-2011 - 4:10pm
I really hope you're not directing your rant to me ... because not only is it it, imo, a pretty baseless rant, but I certainly didn't do anything to deserve your wrath.


And, FTR, I worked many a holiday, at minimum wage with no benefits.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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