Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?

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Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?
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Mon, 11-14-2011 - 5:16pm

Target is facing some backlash about their decision to open up on Thanksgiving night in order to compete with other big box stores:

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 4:49pm

Yep. That help explains why so many hourly retail employees are usually scrounging for hours.

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 5:01pm

If you make a career out of retail, you would work around the demands of the holiday season. People who work in other non-negotiable lines of work (health care, public safety) do it all of the time.

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Registered: 01-08-2009
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 5:26pm

My mother was a travel agent whose busiest time of the year was between November 1 and January 3rd or 4th.

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Registered: 01-31-2007
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 6:54pm

I didn't mean to rant or direct any "wrath." I just don't think that Target employees starting a petition (one that is pointless anyway) should incur this much attitude. They just want a couple extra hours. Who are they hurting by petitioning this? They aren't striking or rioting. People posting here with the attitude of, "it isn't affecting me and other people deal with it; who cares?" is pretty unnecessary. For crying out loud, there are petitions for all sorts of stupid crap. If someone works at Target or has family that works at Target, it might be important for them. It isn't that big of a deal if it doesn't affect you.

I was more responding to your statement that these employees that work at these 24/7 stores work varying hours. Usually, they don't. That was my only point to you directly.

Milford Sound in New Zealand
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Registered: 04-22-2005
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 7:12pm

I understand the frustration of having to work ridiculous days and hours during certain times of the year, but at the same time I would hope that this wouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who applies for a job in retail.





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Registered: 01-31-2007
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 8:19pm

Yeah, it should be expected - to a certain degree. But I've noticed that every year it starts earlier and earlier - with more and more demands. I can see expecting employees to be at work at 5 a.m. on Black Friday. It just seems ridiculous to me to expect them to be there at midnight on Thanksgiving night. And it's mandatory? Seriously? Is it that important? Really, who the hell wants to be bargain hunting at midnight at Target - let alone on Black Friday? It's absurd.

My fiance actually just called to tell me that he won't be able to even make it to my family's with me for Thanksgiving (2 hours away from us) because he offered to come in and work at 9 p.m. Thanksgiving night. They needed someone to volunteer or they were going to assign it someone and he figured that if he was working, then someone who has children might get to stay home with them if they want to. So he'll be spending Thanksgiving alone this year. Whatever, I guess it's only one year to us.

But now the "Black Friday" sales are starting at 10 p.m. Thanksgiving night - or midnight? I just don't get the whole crazy mess. You won't find me braving the chaos and stupidity at midnight Thanksgiving night to spend time in a Target looking for a couple dollars off a Mad Men box set. Though that could just be that I hate people and crowded stores enough already.

Milford Sound in New Zealand
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Registered: 12-07-2003
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 8:21pm
Many professional positions like health care and public safety have somewhat better hours than retail workers during the holidays though, ime. My dad was a professional firefighter and he pretty much always had to work either Christmas Eve or Christmas day (24 hour shifts). That's still better than not being able to take any time off between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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Registered: 12-07-2003
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 8:28pm
Why though? Why in the world do we live in a society where retail workers are expected to work in the middle of the night, just so people can get a deal. I really don't get the whole sale culture anyway. It drives me crazy that stores jack up the prices on normal-not-on-sale goods, so that they can occasionally offer loss-leaders to get people in the door.

When I lived in Germany, they had very strict labor laws that prevented stores from being open crazy hours. It was kind of inconvenient that I couldn't go to the grocery store on a Saturday afternoon, but those kinds of policies made a huge difference in the work culture.

In any case, I don't really care one way or another if Target is open on Thanksgiving evening. I would hope though, that Target would seriously reconsider their decision though, if many of their workers prefer not to work on a holiday. Fat chance though. Corporations don't really care about their workers and they don't allow workers to unionize in most cases. In such a bad economy, it's no skin off Target's back to say, "Don't like working on a holiday? You're fired, because I get 100s of applications for every open position."
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Registered: 03-27-2000
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:14pm
I've always thought it admirable that Chik Fil A is closed on Sundays. The founder believes that all workers should be able to have a day of rest, a day to attend church if they choose, and a day off with their families. So far, it doesn't appear to have harmed their bottom line.

Back when I was growing up, there wasn't any decent shopping in our suburban area. The closest "good" mall was 13 miles away and located in a different county that had "blue" laws such that the shopping malls were closed on Sundays. Eventually the laws changed and for a while, the mall was open but only from 12-6. I don't know what the hours are now, but they are open longer than that on Sundays now.

Whether Target is open on Thanksgiving doesn't affect me personally as I'm not going shopping on Thursday or Friday. It's consumerism at its worst (remember the Walmart employee in NY who was stampeded to death a few years ago during one of those midnight madness Black Friday openings?).
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 9:36pm
Yep, that's how I feel about it. And someone said that if you work retail, you have to expect that you'll be busy over the holidays. I think it's reasonable to expect that you'll be busy over the holidays, but I don't think you should expect to have to work on Thanksgiving or Christmas day.

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