Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?

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Registered: 11-13-2008
Black Friday.. or is it Thursday?
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Mon, 11-14-2011 - 5:16pm

Target is facing some backlash about their decision to open up on Thanksgiving night in order to compete with other big box stores:

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Registered: 04-22-2005
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 12:18am

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I don't get it either, and I don't think it's right at all. I'm





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Registered: 02-04-2009
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 6:00am
<> Well, we don't live in a society where retail workers are expected to work in the middle of the night so people can make a deal. They're expected to work in the middle of the night because we live in a society in which the profit from holiday sales, including the huge push from Black Friday, is pretty much the deciding factor of EXISTING for most retail businesses anymore. And like it or not, retail management has learned that Black Friday is often the biggest indicator of how the holiday profits will turn. Big Black Friday in general means good profits for the holiday season. And for most retail businesses, their entire year's profitability rides on that. So a store which can get a jump on its competitors? Stands to grab and hold a larger market share of the business for any given year. It kinda sucks, but there's a bit of symbiosis there--if the holiday season sucks this year, the odds of the business existing, and thus employeeing those same folks next year, are greatly reduced. Someone mentioned up thread that K-mart has been open on Thanksgiving with no murmur of protest. They've also done abysmally poor for the past several years and are not expected to survive much longer if things don't turn around this year or next.

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 7:31am

Many professional positions like health care and public safety have somewhat better hours than retail workers during the holidays though, ime. My dad was a professional firefighter and he pretty much always had to work either Christmas Eve or Christmas day (24 hour shifts). That's still better than not being able to take any time off between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

One difference is that public safety and health care usually schedule a bare bones staff, opting to place others on call. That's very different from the kind of peak in business that a retail store is going to have during the holiday season.

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:01am
i'm sure that's true. or maybe retail employees dont care enough to commit themselves to any kind of regular schedule which leaves management scrambling and picking up the slack. i often hear in the grocery store too, ..sally, can you stay an extra couple hours because we're short here..... and if there's not the cooperation managers themselves must step in.

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:06am
i wouldn't compare an office job to a retail job with stinky hours.

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:10am
your mom worked on christmas day?

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:12am

expect to work crazy hours during

 

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Registered: 12-07-2003
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:17am
That's BS. The only reason retail stores are ever short staffed (ime) is that they are trying to cut staffing costs and underestimate how many people they need. Everyone I know who has worked in retail has wanted to work full time, but has been given 34 hours per week (with 35 being full time eligible for benefits) with the promise of getting more hours soon. Sure, there's the occasional flake, but I don't think that's the norm.
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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:19am

i agree that with each year it's gotten earlier and earlier, back to the op question of whether that's because of the economy or not, i don't know. but i don't think you opening your stores at midnight or 1:00 in the morning to grab sales means anything more than what you were alerady doing when you opened the doors at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning.

 

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Registered: 12-07-2003
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:20am
My dad did. The guys worked in groups of threes, and the older ones would work a little bit longer on Christmas Eve morning, so the guys with young kids would have a little bit longer at home to open presents. If Dad worked on Christmas Eve, it meant we didn't open presents until 9am or so. If he worked on Christmas, it meant we opened presents at 5am, so he could get to work before too late.

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