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Sun, 11-10-2013 - 6:53am

People that wake up everyday to sunshine regardless of the actual weather, whose lives look peachy perfect b/c of their demeanor, whose energies and smiles motivate you or make you want to strangle them... 

Or do you? 

 

 

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 9:43am

jamblessedthree wrote:
It's not about you mops but how we see others. And I started the discussion b/c of your last disdain about warm and fuzzy people not understanding the depths of things like cancer.. Where does that come from and what "reality" do you think they do not understand?

Jamblessed, a lot of Europeans don't do the smiling and laughing in public thing we take for granted.  I'm sure Mops will correct me if she has a different experience.  I experienced this in Europe and I've heard this.  I've been to several countries in Europe.  Once in Paris, I was laughing out loud at my then boyfriend's jokes in an open air restaurant.  A Parisian woman was leaving and felt the need to say something in disdain in broken English, lol!!  So I don't think Europeans *do* warm and fuzzy.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 9:48am

jamblessedthree wrote:
  Baffled?  By what?  So the scar project has a way of helping an enormous amount of women deal, Empowering are also pink rallies and a doctor patient that dances before her own surgery.</p><p>Different strokes. </p>

Well said, Jamblessed.  I love that story about the dancing doctor too.  So inspirational.

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 9:56am

bordwithyou wrote:
Can you watch the video that SavCal posted and turn around and defend the "pink movement," Jamblessed? You have not given any substantive response to the critique of the movement; you just keep saying its "beyond debate" even when people raise substantive and legitimate concerns about the commercialization of breast cancer and the inefficiency of the movement.

I didn't watch the video because I don't have that kind of free time.  But from the comments here/there, I'll step up on my soapbox and clarify that ~

Anyone who donates her time, money or a piece of her soul to any charity without a quick investigation of that charity with her state's Attorney General's Office or with the U.S. Attorney's Office is foolish. 

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 9:59am

jamblessedthree wrote:
I defend the rallies/the marches that bring people together to support a common cause and that's what was on the firing line last month. About commercialization, I have never bought a pink item at the supermarket but I have bought a VB pattern trinket (and purse one year) that ships a few cents to the breast cancer foundation. I am drawn to unicef at hallmark too even if just a few cents go to the actual foundation. Neither is the only way I give.

I'm right there with you.  Yesterday, getting new ice skates, my dd bought a pretty sports t-shirt with a Pink ribbon, black background.  I loved it, so pretty.  But I had absolutely NO delusions whatsoever that the store was going to send a portion of the proceeds from that particular t-shirt to the cause, lol!!  Sheesh.

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:01am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>It's not about you mops but how we see others. And I started the discussion b/c of your last disdain about warm and fuzzy people not understanding the depths of things like cancer.. Where does that come from and what "reality" do you think they do not understand?</blockquote></p><p>Jamblessed, a lot of Europeans don't do the smiling and laughing in public thing we take for granted.  I'm sure Mops will correct me if she has a different experience.  I experienced this in Europe and I've heard this.  I've been to several countries in Europe.  Once in Paris, I was laughing out loud at my then boyfriend's jokes in an open air restaurant.  A Parisian woman was leaving and felt the need to say something in disdain in broken English, lol!!  So I don't think Europeans *do* warm and fuzzy.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.</p>

Denmark has been ranked as the happiest nation in the world 2013 World Happiness Report. So who should we believe, Thardy's anedote, or John F. Helliwell: Vancouver School of Economics, University of British Columbia, and the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), Richard Layard: Director, Well-Being Programme, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics, Jeffrey D. Sachs: Director, The Earth Institute, Columbia University who have no personal animosity for the Danish-born Rollmops.

http://unsdsn.org/files/2013/09/WorldHappinessReport2013_online.pdf

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:07am

jamblessedthree wrote:
  Further and about no "substantial response", Who are you or I to tell anybody how they should deal with cancer?  The fact that the pink movement has drawn millions speaks for itself, Frankly I wish it were around in the 1990s when my mom was dealing iwth it.  She found support in friends and family but not that, Mom probably would have painted her house pink, that's how she was, Lol, Different strokes bord.  That movement has gotten political but that seems to be the natural course the larger issues become so the discussion savcal has started is all hers to debate/defend.  I'd add little. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

A lovely sentiment, Jamblessed.  Hugs!

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:10am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;rollmops2009&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;Jams, your statement bears no relation to what you quote me as saying, or anything else I have said. Also, your only comment about the Scar Project was some version of it being a downer and that you disliked those kinds of links. I remain baffled by the assumption some seem to make that what is inspirational to someone healthy should also be inspirational to someone who is sick. Not sure why that makes you so, seemingly, angry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;{{Yawn}}.  Enough with the posturing and calling any one else here angry.  After so many of your posts here, we all understand your agenda by now.  Jamblessed is an optimist.  We all know who the angry person is here.  The Pink movement is for the well and for the unwell.  You've chosen not to find inspiration from others, including those who've had a much, much mightier struggle than yourself.  That's your choice.  Jamblessed has a different choice.  It's a shame you can't live and let live.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>The choice of inspiration is found elewhere,  Yes, that's clear and I think that door can be shut now.  But do you ever get the feeling that she is trying to make others change their ways? She's told me that twice now then the message gets mixed to mean it's about her, Eek.  TY, I do try to stick to the positive and that's probably b/c of the influences I am drawn to in my own life.  To each their own. </p><p>Can we get back to attitude and the op, I wonder if optimistic or pesimistic characteristics are human nature or learned through situations and others. </p><p> </p>

Very much so.  It has not been about simply expressing an opinion, a gloomy one at that.  It's been about persuading you and me that we are wrong if we take an optimistic view.  As if we need educating, lol.  From such a source to boot.  I mean really. 

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:12am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Wow, snotty now - more attacks!  Is there anything you're appreiciative of in positions that are different than your own? I'd like to believe there's something you're grateful for given the time we all spend here. </p><p> </p><p> </p>

An excellent question.  That's where the years and years of posts here simply can't be dismissed.

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:15am
Chestnut, lol on the happy Danes, but it is kind of irrelevant either way. Besides, why pink pom-poms are "optimistic" and something like the Scar Project is "gloomy" is not particularly clear. If all people are looking for is some kind of feel-good high, that is obviously fine. Why they think indulging themselves this way is somehow empowering to others is still a mystery, but at this point, "whateva!," as the kids say.
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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:23am

thardy2001 wrote:
>Anyone who donates her time, money or a piece of her soul to any charity without a quick investigation of that charity with her state's Attorney General's Office or with the U.S. Attorney's Office is foolish. </strong></span> </p>

While I think that is good advice in general, I don't think it's nearly as black and white as you've painted it.  I gave YEARS of my time to a particular charitable organization and never checked them out with any reporting or governmental authority. But then, I was there just months after the organization was founded so we more than sure of their credibility.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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