Certainly you know them...

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Certainly you know them...
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Sun, 11-10-2013 - 6:53am

People that wake up everyday to sunshine regardless of the actual weather, whose lives look peachy perfect b/c of their demeanor, whose energies and smiles motivate you or make you want to strangle them... 

Or do you? 

 

 

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:35am

chestnuthooligan wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;It's not about you mops but how we see others. And I started the discussion b/c of your last disdain about warm and fuzzy people not understanding the depths of things like cancer.. Where does that come from and what "reality" do you think they do not understand?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jamblessed, a lot of Europeans don't do the smiling and laughing in public thing we take for granted.  I'm sure Mops will correct me if she has a different experience.  I experienced this in Europe and I've heard this.  I've been to several countries in Europe.  Once in Paris, I was laughing out loud at my then boyfriend's jokes in an open air restaurant.  A Parisian woman was leaving and felt the need to say something in disdain in broken English, lol!!  So I don't think Europeans *do* warm and fuzzy.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Denmark has been ranked as the happiest nation in the world 2013 World Happiness Report. So who should we believe, Thardy's anedote, or John F. Helliwell: Vancouver School of Economics, University of British Columbia, and the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), Richard Layard: Director, Well-Being Programme, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics, Jeffrey D. Sachs: Director, The Earth Institute, Columbia University who have no personal animosity for the Danish-born Rollmops.</p><p>http://unsdsn.org/files/2013/09/WorldHappinessReport2013_online.pdf</p>

 

I also don't think the two are mutually exclusive -  a person can be a very happy, content, satisfied person and not be an effusive person. I don't think pink hearts and rainbows and glitter are a requirement for a person to be happy.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:35am

chestnuthooligan wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;That's nice, I really can't share the same sentiments. I've posted here a long time, my kids were babies and I remember the attacks from working moms about how bad SAH was, that a child's life is doomed b/c s/he'll be sheltered too much, My kids are closer to college than infancy now and I don't regret a thing, College is a just a new chapter in their lives while we continue debating parenting. I am grateful for friends, There are a handful of people I've met here that I am friends with on fb and I'm appreciative we've been able to look beyond our differences and connect there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Hmm, I've also been around since my children were little and my memory is quite different. There was one poster, clw, who was militant about wohm, and she had her reasons,  maybe a spouse she didn't trust iirc, that very few agreed with. There were often drive by posters of infants who started the "how can you work and neglect your baby!" threads. They never really debated anything.</p><p>There were also current Banshees that were quite militant sah proponents who mellowed with age and multiple children. Queen, I'm thinking of you.</p><p>Most people that I've met on this debate board, with a few exceptions, believe that most parents try their hardest to create the best family they can regardless of work status, and work is far down the line on defining what makes a good parent.</p><p>I've got a college student now, and two in hs. There are a few things I could have done better, but hindsight is 20/20, and not productive. My kids are awesome human beings. I love them even though I worked in a profession I also loved. How amazing is that?</p>

I remember it differently.  At the time most of our boardies' little cherubs were young and sensitivities were running high such that any working mom here either kept silent or supported childcare fully.  Usually going so far as to say childcare was preferable.  It wasn't until Morty joined that finally a working mom spoke up that she would prefer her young children have a stay at home parent.  A rational person, the posturing was a real eye-opener for me. ;) 

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:37am

thardy2001 wrote:
I remember it differently.  At the time most of our boardies' little cherubs were young and sensitivities were running high such that any working mom here either kept silent or supported childcare fully.  Usually going so far as to say childcare was preferable.  It wasn't until Morty joined that finally a working mom spoke up that she would prefer her young children have a stay at home parent.  A rational person, the posturing was a real eye-opener for me. ;)  </p>

You must be talking of a different board.  There were rational people here long before morty/fall/shrimpy/whateverhernameistoday.  There always have been, and always will be, those of the militant stance, but never has this board had only militants.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:37am

bordwithyou wrote:
I don't understand how anyone could be on this board for as many years as we all have, and have neither the intellectual curiousity to learn from the other posters nor the empathy to consider life's issues from someone else's perspective.

Really?  What's your take away after all of these years..., what have you learned from Morty?

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:43am

bordwithyou wrote:
Jamblessed, since you are totally unaffected by anything anyone says to you, is there any point in conversing with you?

Is this supposed to be yet another "intellectually stimulating" post?  Should every reader be learning from you right now?  Do you have any idea how you a church going Christian come across on this board?  Shall I tell you?

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:46am
Morty's life is very different from my own, but I have always admired her love for her family, her organizational skills, her joy in living, and her self-confidence.
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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:48am

chestnuthooligan wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;It's not about you mops but how we see others. And I started the discussion b/c of your last disdain about warm and fuzzy people not understanding the depths of things like cancer.. Where does that come from and what "reality" do you think they do not understand?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jamblessed, a lot of Europeans don't do the smiling and laughing in public thing we take for granted.  I'm sure Mops will correct me if she has a different experience.  I experienced this in Europe and I've heard this.  I've been to several countries in Europe.  Once in Paris, I was laughing out loud at my then boyfriend's jokes in an open air restaurant.  A Parisian woman was leaving and felt the need to say something in disdain in broken English, lol!!  So I don't think Europeans *do* warm and fuzzy.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Denmark has been ranked as the happiest nation in the world 2013 World Happiness Report. So who should we believe, Thardy's anedote, or John F. Helliwell: Vancouver School of Economics, University of British Columbia, and the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), Richard Layard: Director, Well-Being Programme, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics, Jeffrey D. Sachs: Director, The Earth Institute, Columbia University who have no personal animosity for the Danish-born Rollmops.</p><p>http://unsdsn.org/files/2013/09/WorldHappinessReport2013_online.pdf</p>

Oh, they can measure happiness now, lol.  And you believe them.  Go for it, girl. ;)

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:51am
"Do you have any idea how you a church going Christian come across on this board? Shall I tell you?" Do you ever communicate with me any other way?
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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:51am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Because we come here to debate? And perhaps you missed what thardy wrote earlier in this thread, There has always been a divide among long timers on this board and that air has gotten thicker. I play fair, You defend a lot of less than fair debate so I'm not really sure where your "curiosity" lies bord..  Do you get intelligent stimulation here? </p><p> </p><p> </p>

Wouldn't that be a point of debate, to learn both sides of an issues and perhaps have one's mind opened to differences?

Your comments are not fair, they are quite obviously biased, like a large blinking neon sign biased.  

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Tue, 11-12-2013 - 10:55am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>It's not about you mops but how we see others. And I started the discussion b/c of your last disdain about warm and fuzzy people not understanding the depths of things like cancer.. Where does that come from and what "reality" do you think they do not understand?</blockquote></p><p>Jamblessed, a lot of Europeans don't do the smiling and laughing in public thing we take for granted.  I'm sure Mops will correct me if she has a different experience.  I experienced this in Europe and I've heard this.  I've been to several countries in Europe.  Once in Paris, I was laughing out loud at my then boyfriend's jokes in an open air restaurant.  A Parisian woman was leaving and felt the need to say something in disdain in broken English, lol!!  So I don't think Europeans *do* warm and fuzzy.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.</p>

It doesn't seem logical to base a general comment about Europeans not being warm and fuzzy from your limited expereinces in Europe, kinda like someone reading your and Jams commments and concluding the same thing.  

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