Curious.....

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Thu, 04-12-2007 - 6:22pm

I've been thinking about the recent discussion about "opinions" and the Imus case comes to mind as an example, an extreme example for sure...but an example none the less.


Here's a link to one of the many stories about this issue


http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html?eref=ew?cid=CNN+Showbiz+Feed


So is it true, if someone

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 07-26-2006
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Sun, 04-22-2007 - 10:27pm

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Whoa wait a minute. Blame the media? Who is blaming the media? Like I said this would have never been an issue had the media not picked it up. That is true. Just like when Scott Peterson murdered his wife. That would have never gotten any national attention unless the media picked it up. That is what happened here. Imus is known for his outrageous statements and they have never been an issue before. So why now? Because the media picked it up.

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He was fired because the attention his statement drew. This was no where near as bad as many of his statements in the past have been.

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Are you a shock jock?

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His statement was none of these so I cant really comment here.

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Registered: 07-26-2006
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Sun, 04-22-2007 - 10:29pm

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No it isnt.

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Neither is. BOTH are a description of someones hair.

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Wrong again. I never said it wasnt a racial slur. I said it wasnt racist. There is a difference.

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Yes...kinky hair.

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Registered: 12-07-2003
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Sun, 04-22-2007 - 11:45pm

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Why doesn't it apply?

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I can handle that. You would agree that it is derogatory?

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No problem:

nappy, a.2

I. General uses.

1. Of cloth: having a nap, downy. Also in extended use.
c1500 Promp. Parv. (Harl. 2274) 358 Noppy or wully, Villosus. 1530 J. PALSGRAVE Lesclarcissement 319/2 Noppy as clothe is that hath a grosse woffe, gros. 1604 J. MARSTON Malcontent II. iii, Thou Burre that onely stickest to nappy fortunes. 1625 K. LONG tr. J. Barclay Argenis III. iii. 155 The first troupe was of children in white nappy garments. 1675 T. HOBBES tr. Homer Odyssey (1677) 36 Clothed with soft nappy cloak and coat. 1727 D. DEFOE Compl. Eng. Tradesman II. I. iv. 123 The French wore nappy and coarse . 1796 W. WITHERING Arrangem. Brit. Plants (ed. 3) IV. 197 Pileus rather conical, knappy, yellow. 1823 in Spirit of Public Jrnls. 513 Neither its owner nor itself are any longer nappy. 1849 ‘L. SHORTFIELD’ Western Merchant vii. 175 A party of fashionably dressed ladies and gentlemen in muddy boots, and nappy blanket coats. 1904 Westm. Gaz. 10 Nov. 4/2 The cloth was slightly nappy. 1971 Sunday Nation (Nairobi) 11 Apr. 42/1 They have been playing on lush fairways and greens that, while nappy, hold well and putt truly. 1992 Buzzworm Nov.-Dec. 35/2 To foster the nappy vegetative pile so necessary to the proper roll of a golf ball, .

2. U.S. slang (freq. derogatory.). Of hair, esp. that of a black person: frizzy.
1885 Amer. Naturalist 19 523 Hair nappy or very spiral. 1927 B. GRANT Nappy Head Blues (song) in R. R. MacLeod Yazoo 1{em}20 (1988) 21 Your head is nappy, your feet's so mamlish long. 1971 Black World June 71/2 Her hair..was in the bushy style that the freedom riders had brought. They called it ‘natural’; Bojack called it nappy. 1987 E. LEONARD Bandits iv. 56 The other one was Creole-looking, a light-skinned black guy with pointy cheekbones and nappy hair.

II. Special uses.

3. (Sense 2) nappy-haired, -headed adjs. nappy head U.S. slang (derogatory), a black person.
1954 L. ARMSTRONG Satchmo v. 86 She was short and *nappy haired and she had buck teeth. 1995 E. WHITE Farewell Symphony (1998) viii. 311 Kevin was thrilled one night when he picked up a dark, muscular, nappy-haired guy. 1973 Black World Apr. 63 All them ol' *nappy-heads runnin' up there tryin' to pull his clothes off. 1994 A. SINCLAIR Coffee will make you Black xii. 117 Donald yells ‘nappy head’ every time the teacher calls her name. 1896 Atlantic Monthly May 719 Think I must 'a' ben cunjered when I married a man black like George, an' now I has this houseful o' *nappy-headed chillun. 1950 A. LOMAX Mister Jelly Roll (1952) 80 Light-skinned Downtown shared the bandstand with ‘real black and nappy-headed’ Uptown. 1997 Jrnl. Blacks in Higher Educ. No. 17. 92 (caption) Always the big joke was that black people were big-lipped, bug-eyed, nappy-headed, and stupid.



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In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 12:53am

Again, no its not, and its still a strawman.

Did you even read the OED defintion? If not, where is the source of the Mbanc def? Because I think you're losing this one, Mbanc or OED - I'm going with OED...




Edited 4/23/2007 1:41 am ET by currieri
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In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 9:32am

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Because he thought he was being funny, he wasnt trying to insult them.

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Nappyheaded, no. Ho yes.

As for their definition, do you see how far down it goes before it uses derogatory? I mean for that matter we could say lots of words can be used in a derogatory manner. If a black girl called you a White B*&$( then you could say that she was using white as derogatory. However in the case of Imus he wasnt trying to be mean towards those girls. He thought he was funny.

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Registered: 07-26-2006
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 9:37am

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Again yes it is, and it still isnt a strawman. Sorry but you are aware that if you answer what I asked it will show that your theory is wrong.

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Yes I did. LOTS about curly kinky hair.

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Have you not seen where I have posted that info more than once? Are you reading my posts or scanning them?

ONE MORE TIME!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nappy
nap·py3 /ˈnæpi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective, -pi·er, -pi·est. 1. covered with nap; downy.
2. (of hair) kinky.

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Losing what? Are we playing a game?

If you are going with OED can you show me where OED says nappy is racist?

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In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 10:07am

Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that the Oxford English Dictionary is a slang dictionary? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary It is *the* most complete and authoritative dictionary in the English language.


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Registered: 12-07-2003
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 10:20am

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So nappy-headed is a racial slur, but not derogatory?

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Did you actually read it all the way through? The first defintion is for nappy as used to describe cloth-- are you going to argue that nappy doesn't really refer to hair at all, but cloth instead? Here's the definition without all of the quotations:

I. General uses.
1. Of cloth: having a nap, downy. Also in extended use.
2. U.S. slang (freq. derogatory.). Of hair, esp. that of a black person: frizzy.
II. Special uses.
3. (Sense 2) nappy-haired, -headed adjs. nappy head U.S. slang (derogatory), a black person.

Every time it lists a defintion of nappy having to do with hair-- it says derogatory right next to it.

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No-- the word "white" has not been routinely used in a derogatory manner. If someone called me "white," it wouldn't be an insult. If someone calls an African American "nappy-headed," it is.

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He may have been trying to be funny, but he used a racial slur in order to do so.



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Registered: 12-07-2003
In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 10:24am

Because it includes slang, does not make it a "slang dictionary."

Second Edition (1989)

Proposed size: 20 volumes

Actual size: 20 volumes, 21,730 pages

Publication date: 1989

Weight of text: 62.6 kilos or 137.72 lbs.

Amount of ink used to print complete run: 2,830 kilos or 6,243 lbs.

Number of words in entire text: 59 million

Number of printed characters: 350 million

Number of different typographical characters used in text: approx.: 750 (660 special plus approx. 90 on regular keyboard)

Equivalent person years used to ‘key in’ text to convert to machine-readable form: 120

Equivalent person years to proof-read text: 60

Number of megabytes of electronic storage required for text: 540

Number of entries: 291,500

Number of main entries: 231,100

Number of main entries for obsolete words: 47,100

Number of main entries for spurious words: 240

Number of main entries for non-naturalized words: 12,200

Longest entry in Dictionary: the verb ‘set’ with over 430 senses consisting of approximately 60,000 words or 326,000 characters

Number of cross-reference entries: 60,400

Number of cross-references within entries: 580,600

Number of word forms defined and/or illustrated: 615,100

Number of pronunciations: 139,900

Number of etymologies: 219,800

Number of quotations: 2,436,600

Most frequently quoted work (in various full and partial version, and translations): Bible (est. 25,000 quotations)

Most frequently quoted single author: Shakespeare (approx. 33,300 quotations)

Most frequently quoted single work of Shakespeare: Hamlet (almost 1,600 quotations)

Percentage of quotations by centuries:
20th century 20 per cent
19th century 31
18th century 11
17th century 16
16th century 10
15th century 4.5
14th century 3.5
13th century 1
1st to 12th centuries 1
Undated (see note) 0.5



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In reply to: pumpkinangel
Mon, 04-23-2007 - 11:46am
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