Education and politics

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Education and politics
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:38pm

pumpkinangel wrote:
  While not in numbers women are not a minority, but aren't women classified as having minority status as far as the law is concerned?</p>

No.  Women are not a minority in fact or in law.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:47pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">just_another_marla</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand that women aren't a &lt;em&gt;numerical&lt;/em&gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.</p>

I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.

http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html

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  • The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.>>

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:52pm
"Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned." -------- I am sure that is only true if they go across state lines ;)
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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:54pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>The older my own special ed child becomes the more we are uncovering new opportunities for her, Testing isn't stupid, it's critical to assessing her needs and accomodations, But it's a team effort and myself, DH and her educators have to see eye to eye, I'm sorry you never got those vibes, Maybe you never gave it a chance.  Programs like "Project excel" are wonderful opportunities at the college level if she choses that too. </p>

If you are talking about bord's comment and the mention of the word stupid, she didn't say that testing was stupid.  What she said was when politics get involved, they tend to be used stupidly.  Did you not read her post that described how positive testing was with her son and that she wasn't against testing?  These comments make no sense in response unless one has the agenda of purposely misreading the situation.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:55pm

pumpkinangel wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;just_another_marla&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;I understand that women aren't a &amp;lt;em&amp;gt;numerical&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.</p><p><a href="http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html</a></p><p>&lt;&lt;</p><ul><li>The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.&gt;&gt;</li></ul>

Nope.  Women are not a minority.  Under the federal civil rights laws, women are considered a protected class under the law because of historically unfavorable treatment.  Women are a protected class, given special protections under the civil rights laws.

Women are not a minority but historically were treated differently than the white male so they can sometimes sue under the civil rights laws.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 1:58pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>  While not in numbers women are not a minority, but aren't women classified as having minority status as far as the law is concerned?&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>No.  Women are not a minority in fact or in law.</p>

The EEOC states differently...

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:00pm

pumpkinangel wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;pumpkinangel&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;  While not in numbers women are not a minority, but aren't women classified as having minority status as far as the law is concerned?&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No.  Women are not a minority in fact or in law.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>The EEOC states differently...</p>

Really?  Where?  Your link was only to the EEO. 

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:03pm

I'll try for a third time.  Your reference was to EEO.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:03pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;thardy2001&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;pumpkinangel&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;  While not in numbers women are not a minority, but aren't women classified as having minority status as far as the law is concerned?&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;No.  Women are not a minority in fact or in law.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The EEOC states differently...&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Really?  Where?  Your link was only to the EEO.  </p>

Sorry, I meant EEO, added C out of habit.  

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:04pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;thardy2001&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;just_another_marla&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;I understand that women aren't a &amp;amp;lt;em&amp;amp;gt;numerical&amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Nope.  Women are not a minority.  Under the federal civil rights laws, women are considered a protected class under the law because of historically unfavorable treatment.  Women are a protected class, given special protections under the civil rights laws.</p><p>Women are not a minority but historically were treated differently than the white male so they can sometimes sue under the civil rights laws.</p>

According to the EEO, they are considered having minority staus as far as the law is concerned, how does that not agree with what I said earlier?

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