Education and politics

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 

 

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:07pm

pumpkinangel wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;pumpkinangel&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;thardy2001&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;amp;gt;just_another_marla&amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;I understand that women aren't a &amp;amp;amp;lt;em&amp;amp;amp;gt;numerical&amp;amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;amp;gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a href="http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html" rel="nofollow"&amp;gt;http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;lt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ul&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nope.  Women are not a minority.  Under the federal civil rights laws, women are considered a protected class under the law because of historically unfavorable treatment.  Women are a protected class, given special protections under the civil rights laws.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Women are not a minority but historically were treated differently than the white male so they can sometimes sue under the civil rights laws.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>According to the EEO, they are considered having minority staus as far as the law is concerned, how does that not agree with what I said earlier?</p>

Ask the EEO.  Or Marla...

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:10pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p>I'll try for a third time.  Your reference was to EEO.</p>

Right, I should have said EEO...but doesn't the EEOC enforce the rights guaranteed under the EEO?

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 2:11pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;thardy2001&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;pumpkinangel&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;amp;gt;thardy2001&amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;amp;amp;gt;just_another_marla&amp;amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;I understand that women aren't a &amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;em&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;numerical&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;gt;Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.&amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;a href="http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html" rel="nofollow"&amp;amp;gt;http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html&amp;amp;lt;/a&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;ul&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;li&amp;amp;gt;The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/li&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/ul&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Nope.  Women are not a minority.  Under the federal civil rights laws, women are considered a protected class under the law because of historically unfavorable treatment.  Women are a protected class, given special protections under the civil rights laws.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Women are not a minority but historically were treated differently than the white male so they can sometimes sue under the civil rights laws.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to the EEO, they are considered having minority staus as far as the law is concerned, how does that not agree with what I said earlier?&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Ask the EEO.  Or Marla...</p>

It would seem that you would be in disagreement with the EEO, Marla and myself....you can't explain why?

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 3:44pm


Women do not have a representative piece or equal access to the wealth, power, and prestige in our country and that's why we're considered a minority group, sociologically. Denial of this disrupts the fascism of the far right as well as aids those with the concentrated portions of wealth, power, and prestige to justify their position with a job well done, rather than a product of social design.

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Sat, 12-07-2013 - 11:58am

I think this link is appropriate for this conversation:

http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/20-things-the-poor-do-every-day/

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Sat, 12-07-2013 - 12:30pm

Sav, yes, but this thread also made me think of child poverty. One might argue that adults have some sort of choice in the matter, but kids?

"

Child Poverty

More than 16 million children in the United States – 22% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty level – $23,550 a year for a family of four. Research shows that, on average, families need an income of about twice that level to cover basic expenses. Using this standard, 45% of children live in low-income families.

Most of these children have parents who work, but low wages and unstable employment leave their families struggling to make ends meet. Poverty can impede children’s ability to learn and contribute to social, emotional, and behavioral problems. Poverty also can contribute to poor health and mental health. Risks are greatest for children who experience poverty when they are young and/or experience deep and persistent poverty.

Research is clear that poverty is the single greatest threat to children’s well-being. But effective public policies – to make work pay for low-income parents and to provide high-quality early care and learning experiences for their children – can make a difference. Investments in the most vulnerable children are also critical." http://www.nccp.org/topics/childpoverty.html

There are many links on the site for further reading.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 7:49am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;thardy2001&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;pumpkinangel&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;amp;gt;thardy2001&amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;amp;amp;gt;just_another_marla&amp;amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;Thardy, not all of my studies are conducted inside a classroom. Have you stopped exploring your own personal thoughts just because you've completed your education?&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;I understand that women aren't a &amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;em&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;numerical&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;/em&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; minority, but they are a minority group as defined sociologically.  &amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;amp;gt;Women are not a minority in fact or in the law.   Maybe your course of studies isn't beneficial.  That happens.&amp;amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;I did a bit of googling since my last question to you and at least according to the EEOC women are considered having a minority status under the law.&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;a href="http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html" rel="nofollow"&amp;amp;gt;http://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html&amp;amp;lt;/a&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;lt;/p&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;ul&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;li&amp;amp;gt;The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/li&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/ul&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Nope.  Women are not a minority.  Under the federal civil rights laws, women are considered a protected class under the law because of historically unfavorable treatment.  Women are a protected class, given special protections under the civil rights laws.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Women are not a minority but historically were treated differently than the white male so they can sometimes sue under the civil rights laws.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to the EEO, they are considered having minority staus as far as the law is concerned, how does that not agree with what I said earlier?&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Ask the EEO.  Or Marla...</p>

Yes, the expert is in.

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 7:51am

savcal2011 wrote:
<p>I think this link is appropriate for this conversation:</p><p><a href="http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/20-things-the-poor-do-every-day/" rel="nofollow">http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/20-things-the-poor-do-every-day/</a></p>

I can't tell who's writing what but Dave Ramsey is a fool, and he's made a fortune telling desperate people what they want to hear whle tearing down bigger enterprises like banks.  

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:04am

The op taps into poverty and it is true, Sometimes school is the only safe, emotionally and physically secure environment a child gets all day.. At what point does society tell parents how they should raise their kids....

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:04am
Jams, investing in kids is not telling parents how to raise them. Investing in kids would be things like providing health care through schools, making pre-K universal, making high-quality daycare available and affordable etc.

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