Education and politics

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 

 

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Mon, 12-09-2013 - 4:46am

bordwithyou wrote:
"We give to a lot of different places/causes, even breast cancer research and jdrf but I won't go there tonight." Pssst, Jamblessed, you just went there.

You're right, I did.  By the way bord, my daughter says thank you.

 

 

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Mon, 12-09-2013 - 4:45am

He called out the global economy to fix " unfettered capitalism".He's certainly not targeting my family. 

???  I didn't say he was targeting your family.  But your beliefs and actions aren't akin to his. 

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:52pm
"We give to a lot of different places/causes, even breast cancer research and jdrf but I won't go there tonight." Pssst, Jamblessed, you just went there.
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:51pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">chestnuthooligan]&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;[quote=jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;I wonder what the pope would think of this you wrote earlier,&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style="font-size:13px"&amp;gt;My family cared about education above all else, we did have food stamps temporarily, my parents were immigrants, and my mom could not work for several years . A single mom working at Wal-Mart probably cares less about ed and more about survival. My father was college educated, many in poverty are not. The fact that I could rise above poverty was more about the education of my parents than their earnings at the time&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style="font-size:13px"&amp;gt;Would he agree that poverty can be cured by education or by a world of compassion and fairness for all?  You know, he doesn't follow greed or how great your company looks on the NYSE either.  &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;[/quote&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Pope Francis would agree that education could be a great tool to overcome poverty. He's a Jesuit, he believes in education.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do you really think otherwise? SMH... You are the one who thinks that Walmart workers &lt;span&gt;don't deserve a living wage, just a free market wage. (Link provided at request). I, personally, think I make too much money for what I do, but I make a lot of a lot of money for my for profit company and they compensate me for that. I get to provide for my family and then some.. I am not greedy, we give back where we can, can you say the same? I am willing to be taxed a bit more, e.g. social security limits that we exceed, so others can be taxed less.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I'm also an advocate for others politically to make a living wage in the political process as a local office holder and a voter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Thus my add on of his jesuit order :-), I don't think he's so closed minded however nor does he think less of a department store worker on minimum wage than your educated (or anyone else's) family.</p><p>Can I say the same about what?  Your taxpayer dollars are above mine?  Oh my, Lol, keep your rocky sea shore.  We give to a lot of different places/causes, even breast cancer research and jdrf but I won't go there tonight.</p><p><span> </span></p>

Please make sense. He called out the global economy to fix " unfettered capitalism".He's certainly not targeting my family. 

I probably pay more taxes than you, I'm employed and you are not so no stretch needed. You have problem with my rocky shore? Sorry about that , it is beautiful and I get appreciate it every day. Sild in Athens also has a place I could appreciate every darn day too.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:50pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
How familiar are you with women in the corporate world wannabe? Have you read "Lean In"? My 16 year old has, save it for your daughter to read. Please.

I left the corporate world, Jambles. So I'm quite familiar with women in the corporate world since I was once a woman in the corporate world...but I'm quite curious what "Lean In" has to do with women's liberation theology...perhaps since your DD has read the book, can you explain the connection you drew between the two?

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:36pm

chestnuthooligan]&lt;p&gt;[quote=jamblessedthree wrote:
&lt;p&gt;I wonder what the pope would think of this you wrote earlier,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13px"&gt;My family cared about education above all else, we did have food stamps temporarily, my parents were immigrants, and my mom could not work for several years . A single mom working at Wal-Mart probably cares less about ed and more about survival. My father was college educated, many in poverty are not. The fact that I could rise above poverty was more about the education of my parents than their earnings at the time&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13px"&gt;Would he agree that poverty can be cured by education or by a world of compassion and fairness for all?  You know, he doesn't follow greed or how great your company looks on the NYSE either.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;[/quote</p><p>I think Pope Francis would agree that education could be a great tool to overcome poverty. He's a Jesuit, he believes in education.</p><p>Do you really think otherwise? SMH... You are the one who thinks that Walmart workers <span>don't deserve a living wage, just a free market wage. (Link provided at request). I, personally, think I make too much money for what I do, but I make a lot of a lot of money for my for profit company and they compensate me for that. I get to provide for my family and then some.. I am not greedy, we give back where we can, can you say the same? I am willing to be taxed a bit more, e.g. social security limits that we exceed, so others can be taxed less.</span></p><p><span>I'm also an advocate for others politically to make a living wage in the political process as a local office holder and a voter.</span></p><p><span><br /></span></p><p><span><br /></span></p><p><span><br /></span></p>

Thus my add on of his jesuit order :-), I don't think he's so closed minded however nor does he think less of a department store worker on minimum wage than your educated (or anyone else's) family.

Can I say the same about what?  Your taxpayer dollars are above mine?  Oh my, Lol, keep your rocky sea shore.  We give to a lot of different places/causes, even breast cancer research and jdrf but I won't go there tonight.

 

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:23pm

[quote=jamblessedthree]<p>I wonder what the pope would think of this you wrote earlier,</p><p><em><span style="font-size:13px">My family cared about education above all else, we did have food stamps temporarily, my parents were immigrants, and my mom could not work for several years . A single mom working at Wal-Mart probably cares less about ed and more about survival. My father was college educated, many in poverty are not. The fact that I could rise above poverty was more about the education of my parents than their earnings at the time</span></em></p><p><span style="font-size:13px">Would he agree that poverty can be cured by education or by a world of compassion and fairness for all?  You know, he doesn't follow greed or how great your company looks on the NYSE either.  </span></p><p> </p>[/quote

I think Pope Francis would agree that education could be a great tool to overcome poverty. He's a Jesuit, he believes in education.

Do you really think otherwise? SMH... You are the one who thinks that Walmart workers don't deserve a living wage, just a free market wage. (Link provided at request). I, personally, think I make too much money for what I do, but I make a lot of a lot of money for my for profit company and they compensate me for that. I get to provide for my family and then some.. I am not greedy, we give back where we can, can you say the same? I am willing to be taxed a bit more, e.g. social security limits that we exceed, so others can be taxed less.

I'm also an advocate for others politically to make a living wage in the political process as a local office holder and a voter.




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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:22pm
"He's a jesuit not stupid like that reads." What exactly "reads stupid?" And what does Pope Francis being a Jesuit have to do with Chestnut being hypocritical?
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:19pm

I really admire this pope, but he doesn't live among the very poor. He lives in the Vatican guest apartments. They are nice places, not slums. He hasn't moved into the papal residence, but he's not living is rat-infested slums, either.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:08pm
How familiar are you with women in the corporate world wannabe? Have you read "Lean In"? My 16 year old has, save it for your daughter to read. Please.

 

 

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