Education and politics

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:14am
"My child's pediatrician moved from Long Island to upstate NY, she is paid and housed well" ------- Just because you met one such doctor does not mean that there is no problem. What Bord is talking about is not controversial: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/15744-u-s-physician-shortage-to-impact-rural-poor-urban-areas
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:11am

"Your focus on the United States is interesting mops,"

You are in the US, so I am trying to make the discussion relevant to you. Again, we are not thinking of bringing our business back to the US, it never left. My DH and DD are both US citizens. Surely it is not that exotic to come across ex-pats.

"I will look at that."

Great!

"Amazingly the children live what they learn, it's hardly about the amount of resources"

You really don't think it makes a difference, statistically, whether a child has adequate food, shelter and health care? You don't think that there is a correlation between poverty and low levels of education? What I mean is that "resources" are not just about food and shelter, although those are very important, it is also about whether your parents read books. Many poor people DO read books, of course, but kids in middle and upper class families are much more likely to have learning resources available at home.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:06am

bordwithyou wrote:
<p><span> I know of a few federal programs that do thinks like forgive student loans to doctors who agree to practice in under-served areas for a period of time, but none of them a making  rich. As it stands, practicing rural medicine in the USA is truly a calling and bless those who are doing it. The doctor who delivered my older son is among them. I have a nephew in his last year of medical school who has been getting experience by practicing on Indian Reservations in the southwest. He might like to make a career out of it, but he fears not being able to make enough to pay off his loans. Can you PM me the info about how doctors are supposed to make a good living serving the poor so I can pass it on to him? Thanks.</span></p>

My child's pediatrician moved from Long Island to upstate NY, she is paid and housed well.  I'm sure she has enough to pay off that debt, unless mom and dad supported her there - you know like what you do.  

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:05am
"And these poor famlies buy homes for 260,000.00 13 years ago too? Your reality is skewed." -------- Who said anything about 260,000 homes?
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:03am

Your focus on the United States is interesting mops, Do you have plans to bring back your busness here?  

I will look at that. 

I should also share that in one of my psych classes we watched a video, in parts, about various conditons around the world and the life and effects on children, From Rwanda to affluent areas in the United States (Chicago, I think).  Amazingly the children live what they learn, it's hardly about the amount of resources althogh I'd say children in poverty striken areas like Rwanda deserve as much attention than those on public assistance in this country.  

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:02am

"Oh my, I didn't know. And these poor famlies buy homes for 260,000.00 13 years ago too? Your reality is skewed." Again, what are you talking about? I haven't been poor for far longer than 13 years ago.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:59am

 I know of a few federal programs that do thinks like forgive student loans to doctors who agree to practice in under-served areas for a period of time, but none of them a making  rich. As it stands, practicing rural medicine in the USA is truly a calling and bless those who are doing it. The doctor who delivered my older son is among them. I have a nephew in his last year of medical school who has been getting experience by practicing on Indian Reservations in the southwest. He might like to make a career out of it, but he fears not being able to make enough to pay off his loans. Can you PM me the info about how doctors are supposed to make a good living serving the poor so I can pass it on to him? Thanks.

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:56am
Jams, I would urge you to watch this very short and very informative video about income distribution in the US: http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2?g=2&c=reccon1
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:54am

bordwithyou wrote:
<p>"Dear Mr Governor: Please force dentists to practice in areas where they are not likely to be able to make enough money to pay off their student loans. Thsnks a bunch! Love, Bord."  PS:  Jamblessed, I haven't researched conditions in Ohio, but you live in an urban area where services are more likely to exist.  Still, until you've walked the walk of a low-income person trying to access them, I wouldn't be too optimistic about their adequacy.</p>

Oh my, I didn't know.  And these poor famlies buy homes for 260,000.00 13 years ago too?  Your reality is skewed.  

 

 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:49am

Jams, I did not disregard what you said. I said that what you are talking about needs to be vastly expanded. I am not sure what health care clinincs are free. I am talking about having routine medical and dental care availbale IN schools for all kids.

It is definitely possible to set some standards for daycare and making it affordable for all families.

Pre-K does seem to be on the horizon and that is good.

"Moms and dads need to be coached or these kids taken away from them for good too." I am not sure what you mean by this. I thought you were against telling people how to rear their children. We are talking about ameliorating the effect of poverty on kids. We are not talking about bad parenting.

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