Education and politics

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:38am

While I don't have any firm opinions on how heavily the US should compare itself to other countries, I do not believe for a moment that this comparison is the at the root of our educational system problems.

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 11:29am

Interesting article, I don't think that comparing ourselves to other countries is the root of our problem in education, not at all.  That is a simple excuse for a complicated problem.  One of the reasons I found the article that you posted so interesting was the clear disagreement with testing, something that you have supported over the years in education discussions.

This quote sums it up quite nicely:  I agree with Baker. The more we focus on tests, the more we kill creativity, ingenuity, and the ability to think differently. Students who think differently get lower scores. The more we focus on tests, the more we reward conformity and compliance, getting the right answer.

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 4:35pm

Education in the US cannot be fixed until the issues of poverty are addressed in a meaningful way. 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:54pm

savcal2011 wrote:
<p>While I don't have any firm opinions on how heavily the US should compare itself to other countries, I do not believe for a moment that this comparison is the at the root of our educational system problems.</p>

Why?  The US is all about test scores and numbers at the end of the day, if that's not to compare our schools to schools across the globe what is it?  While tests have their place IMO, I mean tests today prepare kids for entrance exams, college tests, even life skills, I believe we've placed far too much emphasis on standard testing, and now it comes down to cutting more funding b/c we're (general) not meeting some right score.   The author's points were good ones.  

 

 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:55pm
Poverty is a home problem, I believe schools do a lot for the poor communities.

 

 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 8:25pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Poverty is a home problem,

I disagree. I think that poverty is a social problem, not the problem of the individual.

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 8:25pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Poverty is a home problem, I believe schools do a lot for the poor communities.

What the heck does this mean? Poverty and inequality is a societal problem.

Federal government programs, usually not poor school districts who can't afford anything, do add supporting infrastructure for the poorest communities, but they are being cut left and right.

It is unacceptable that our most needy children are bearing such a large brunt of the sequester. In total, the sequester is cutting:

• $633 million to special education programs,
• $400 million to Head Start,
• $725 million to Title I education funding,
• $503 million to Children and Families Services Programs,
• $115 million to Child Care and Development Grants,
• $157 million to federal student financial assistance and aid administration,
• $20 million to Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Programs, and
• $65 million in aid to schools on Indian lands and military bases.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/05/03/1960821/sequestration-education-head-start/

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 8:46pm

Ahh, more numbers.  Of course funding is being cut and isn't that a shame, What's your point?  Maybe school funding is being cut to pay for obamacare you like so much.

 

 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:03pm

poverty is a social problem, not the problem of the individual.

We need more Nelson Mandelas in the world.  RIP. 

 

 

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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:19pm

And where do cuts happen?  Certainly your own stats should show where...   Your own poverty is an example of poverty being a problem at home, Rescues like your own still exist today, No? 

 

 

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