Education and politics

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Education and politics
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 


 


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Registered: 05-13-2009
Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:20pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Ahh, more numbers.  Of course funding is being cut and isn't that a shame, What's your point?  Maybe school funding is being cut to pay for obamacare you like so much.</p>

Gee, I alway though facts were important when debating an issue like poverty and education, you do not? Actually. it's on you to prove that ed funding is being cut for Ocare (which I hate, I'm for single payer and always have been). Psst - Ocare does not effect the same part of the budget, if you do want to debate that, have at it.

Education in the US is incredibly inequitable since most public schools are funded by local property taxes, with lack of fed support, the poorest schools lag far behind.

Can you explain what you mean when you say that "Poverty is a home problem"? I was very poor, I had the social services, education with grants, and family support to get out of poverty. If I didn't have three for three, my odds would have been slim.

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Registered: 01-08-2009
Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:31pm
"Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom." Nelson Mandela
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:32pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>And where do cuts happen?  Certainly your own stats should show where...   Your own poverty is an example of poverty being a problem at home, Rescues like your own still exist today, No? </p>

Do you know anything about discretionary and non-discretionary federal budget? I'm all ears...

My family cared about education above all else, we did have food stamps temporarily, my parents were immigrants, and my mom could not work for several years . A single mom working at Wal-Mart probably cares less about ed and more about survival. My father was college educated, many in poverty are not. The fact that I could rise above poverty was more about the education of my parents than their earnings at the time.

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Registered: 01-08-2009
Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:33pm
We should not be testing children to compare them with anyone else. We should be constantly assessing them to find out both their strengths and weaknesses, to build on their strengths and help where they need more reinforcement.
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 9:37pm

bordwithyou wrote:
"Overcoming poverty is not a task of charity, it is an act of justice. Like Slavery and Apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. YOU can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom." Nelson Mandela

What a wise man and this is a great quote. Thanks, Bord.

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Fri, 12-06-2013 - 5:42am
Beautiful quote, He also believed education changes the world. He was a great teacher.

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 6:08am

chestnuthooligan wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;And where do cuts happen?  Certainly your own stats should show where...   Your own poverty is an example of poverty being a problem at home, Rescues like your own still exist today, No? &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Do you know anything about discretionary and non-discretionary federal budget? I'm all ears...</p><p>My family cared about education above all else, we did have food stamps temporarily, my parents were immigrants, and my mom could not work for several years . A single mom working at Wal-Mart probably cares less about ed and more about survival. My father was college educated, many in poverty are not. The fact that I could rise above poverty was more about the education of my parents than their earnings at the time.</p>

Your story means that you took the resources and opportunities and rose above poverty.  How do you know a single mom cares less than your family did?  How judgemental of you.  

You've lost me, is it b/c your dad was educated that you overcome povertty?  If you were poor you were poor, there's nothing more special about you than what another family has the power to do.  

 


 


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Registered: 05-31-2011
Fri, 12-06-2013 - 6:21am

jamblessedthree wrote:

You've lost me, is it b/c your dad was educated that you overcome povertty?  

The link between social mobility and parental education is well documented. 

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015/indicator1_5.asp

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/foc/summary/v016/16.2haveman.html

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Registered: 01-08-2009
Fri, 12-06-2013 - 6:47am
How can you call Mandela's opinion "great" when he says that poverty is a social problem and rooted in injustice and you think it is a personal problem, Jamblessed ?
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Fri, 12-06-2013 - 7:11am

bordwithyou wrote:
How can you call Mandela's opinion "great" when he says that poverty is a social problem and rooted in injustice and you think it is a personal problem, Jamblessed ?

He also calls poverty man made, injustice goes away when we stop excusing poverty away.   South Africa is where true poverty exists and he was able to move mountains, surely there is a lot (here) that can be learned from him.  

 


 


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