Education and politics

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Education and politics
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:19am

And you pull from statistics an action plan to change that mops, No?

I don't know what you're trying to say anymore, continue to waste your time with links or stats to prove something, I'm not impressed. You fail to read what I have said is already in place here.  All kids should have access to adequate care and supplies, If a kid is only getting that at school - which sadly many of them are - then you really need to open up your eyes to problems that exist at home.  

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:20am
"All kids should have access to adequate care and supplies, If a kid is only getting that at school - which sadly many of them are - then you really need to open up your eyes to problems that exist at home." ----------- How would you solve the at-home problem, if the main problem at home is poverty?
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:32am

bordwithyou wrote:
I don't think Dave Ramsay is a "fool." He's one of the typical evangelist-types who finds a formula that works for him and then thinks it's universally applicable. Some of his financial advice is questionable, but overall I think he's done more good than harm with his "ministry."

I almost always agree with his financial advice.  He's helped a lot of people turn their lives around.   It is sound, tested, smart, effective advice that works.   But I have to listen with one ear, because I have to weed out the evangelical preaching that he throws in. 

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:37am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<>I can't tell who's writing what but Dave Ramsey is a fool, and he's made a fortune telling desperate people what they want to hear whle tearing down bigger enterprises like banks.  </p>

The article I posted here was in response to this, http://www.daveramsey.com/blog/20-things-the-rich-do-every-day, which Dave Ramsey supported.   The list that Dave Ramsey supported ignored the freedoms that the "rich" have that the poor don't.  The response by Ben Irwin was spot on - and actually had factual references.

That said, I don't think Dave Ramsey is a fool; his financial advice is usually spot on.  Spend less, work hard, develop a cusion ... it works.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:38am

jamblessedthree wrote:
Yes, Ramsey is the leader of a cult and he has his followers.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.   I don't doubt that some people follow Dave Ramsey blindly. I don't disagree that he's over the top at times.  But again, his financial advice is almost always spot on.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:39am
"I almost always agree with his financial advice. He's helped a lot of people turn their lives around. It is sound, tested, smart, effective advice that works. But I have to listen with one ear, because I have to weed out the evangelical preaching that he throws in." Where I disagree with his advice is often on the nitty-gritty details. For instance, objectively, it would often make financial sense for some of these people to transfer multiple balances on high-interest credit cards to a low-interest card or loan. But he is against that because it's a "band-aid solution." Well, yeah, it is, but if you do that PLUS take his "tough love" advice, you are going to pay off your debt faster. It's like her really thinks people deserve to suffer for their last sins as much as possible on the way to financial redemption.
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:40am

rollmops2009 wrote:
"All kids should have access to adequate care and supplies, If a kid is only getting that at school - which sadly many of them are - then you really need to open up your eyes to problems that exist at home." ----------- How would you solve the at-home problem, if the main problem at home is poverty?

Your earlier link proves that poverty is a problem at home, I don't know how many families are stepping up to curb the behaviors and problems though and that's where statistics fall short...  I hope outreach and mental health services are always seen as a good thing, You know social work and all that.  

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:42am
It is very difficult to discuss these issues with you, Jambles, since you are dismissive of facts and statistics. It is as if you are locked into a worldview that sees poverty as a personal failing, and nothing In the realm of evidence to the contrary can change your mind.
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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:42am
Ramsey is spot on about what? Common sense? Lol, seriously. How much have you paid to read or listen to his advice?

 


 


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Sun, 12-08-2013 - 9:43am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>And you pull from statistics an action plan to change that mops, No?</p><p>I don't know what you're trying to say anymore, continue to waste your time with links or stats to prove something, I'm not impressed. You fail to read what I have said is already in place here.  <span>All kids should have access to adequate care and supplies, If a kid is only getting that at school - which sadly many of them are - then you really need to open up your eyes to problems that exist at home.  </span></p>

No one here has denied that problems exist at home - poverty is seen more "at home" than anywhere else.  But the HOME isn't what causes the poverty. It's not  - as you stated earlier - an attitude problem.

"I don’t mind a banshee, that’s fine. 2 banshees? I HATE you. I actually wish bad things upon you." -- Day[9] Daily #459 P1

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