Education and politics

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Education and politics
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 10:01am

pumpkinangel wrote:
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.""</span></p>

Reminds me of the Animal School video - which I think I've shared with you before.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 10:11am

savcal2011 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">pumpkinangel</em> wrote:</div>Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.""&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Reminds me of the Animal School video - which I think I've shared with you before. </p>

Yes, that is exactly what I thought as well.  Love that video.

http://raisingsmallsouls.com/animal-school-video-inspires-individuality-acceptance/

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:32am
"Then don't." Poverty is not "an attitude," but compassion is. It would be kind of cool if you developed some, Jamblessed, before you start practicing social work.
 
Adult swim is an inappropriate cable network show, You know social workers that find those cartoons compassionate?  Marla has shared clips that drop the f bomb too, not cute. 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:35am

jamblessedthree wrote:

South Africa is where true poverty exists

Jams, could you explain what "true poverty" is? 

Throughout the course of my studies, I've had to reject the idea that poverty is a personal problem because I couldn't reconcile the fact that minority groups (women, racial/ethnic groups) suffer from poverty in much higher rates. The questions that I grappled with included asking myself if I thought that racial/ethnic groups were inherently inferior or if I felt that women's poverty was merely a symptom of moral failing. I couldn't accept either; and I'm not sure how one could view the "personal problem" of poverty without putting some stock into those questions. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you could help me out by explaining how you've come to your beliefs, so that I could understand the viewpoint better?

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:37am

I agree thardy, and politics does get in the way of US education, that's just it, they take these scores - which by the way aren't even calculated and shared until the following school year - and use those numbers to determine where to keep funding and where to cut funding.  Kids aren't measured by those scores, schools are. 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:50am

just_another_marla wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div></p><p>South Africa is where <strong>true</strong> poverty exists</p><p></blockquote></p><p>Jams, could you explain what "true poverty" is? <br /><br />Throughout the course of my studies, I've had to reject the idea that poverty is a personal problem because I couldn't reconcile the fact that minority groups (women, racial/ethnic groups) suffer from poverty in much higher rates. The questions that I grappled with included asking myself if I thought that racial/ethnic groups were inherently inferior or if I felt that women's poverty was merely a symptom of moral failing. I couldn't accept either; and I'm not sure how one could view the "personal problem" of poverty without putting some stock into those questions. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you could help me out by explaining how you've come to your beliefs, so that I could understand the viewpoint better?</p>

Did it really take you until your course of studies to learn about the issue of poverty?  And women are not a minority.  Far from it ~ that's kind of the problem.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:50am

 

I hear this over and over. But I have to say, I've known people who've taken standardized tests (myself included) and their scores were both an accurate reading of their intelligence at the moment and a good predictor of success in school. Maybe not in life, as you say. My kids over the years (soo many standardized tests). Me, my family, friends....

My kiddo's biggest complaint about the psat prep was that it is a timed test, Lol.  That will build her resilience not weaken her. 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:55am

Isn't an inlaw of yours a dean or an associate dean of humanities?  I bet she's an interesting one to listen to at your holiday table...  If you actually talk that at home. 

 


 


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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 11:57am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>I agree thardy, and politics does get in the way of US education, that's just it, they take these scores - which by the way aren't even calculated and shared until the following school year - and use those numbers to determine where to keep funding and where to cut funding.  Kids aren't measured by those scores, schools are. </p>

Federal funding has been cut substantially in almost all areas, except for defense spending of course.  I remember when prisoners could get their GED or job training in jail.  That's long gone.

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Fri, 12-06-2013 - 12:04pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p> </p><p><em>I hear this over and over. But I have to say, I've known people who've taken standardized tests (myself included) and their scores were both an accurate reading of their intelligence at the moment and a good predictor of success in school. Maybe not <span style="text-decoration:underline">in life,</span> as you say. My kids over the years (soo many standardized tests). Me, my family, friends....</em></p><p>My kiddo's biggest complaint about the psat prep was that it is a timed test, Lol.  That will build her resilience not weaken her. </p>

I think the more they get used to it in the lower grades, the better prepared they will be for the college entrance exams, licensing exams.  I didn't have these "opportunities" in school ~ nothing can really mimic the actual test day except what the schools do now ~ give lots of standardized tests.  It's not a homogenous country like Japan, so there are a lot of factors involved.

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