Education and politics

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Education and politics
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Thu, 12-05-2013 - 7:45am

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/12/03/my-view-of-the-pisa-scores/

I always find it interesting the continued attention to other countries the United States compares itself to, Perhaps that's the root of the problem after all.  This author makes a lot of outstanding points. 

Thoughts? 

 

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:12am
I don't think Dave Ramsay is a "fool." He's one of the typical evangelist-types who finds a formula that works for him and then thinks it's universally applicable. Some of his financial advice is questionable, but overall I think he's done more good than harm with his "ministry."
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:20am

rollmops2009 wrote:
Jams, investing in kids is not telling parents how to raise them. Investing in kids would be things like providing health care through schools, making pre-K universal, making high-quality daycare available and affordable etc.

You've completely disregarded what I said, the only accomodations some poor kids get are n the schools that service them.  

Universal and mandatory prek is on the horizon and I see that actually happening in the not so far future, health care clinics are free to children (and their famlies that qualify), these sites (in the schools) exist.  Insofar as quality daycare, its a toss up of what that even means, even daycares in the most affluent areas have high staff turnaround and questionable conditons.  

I'm sure there are more cites that support what you want them to support but until you see it and work in it up front do you know the suffering and the tolls kids have had to take on.  Moms and dads need to be coached or these kids taken away from them for good too.  

 


 


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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:21am
Yes, Ramsey is the leader of a cult and he has his followers.

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:28am
You have these very rosy ideas about the accessibility of services, Jamblessed. There are entire counties in my state with not one pediatric dentist who will accept low income patients. The wait list for mental health services at the low income clinic in my town is five months. There is an emergency room, which is where most people access services. They can lock you up for 72 hours and put you on a wait list. It's better than nothing, but it's not "quality care." Not by a long shot .
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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:36am

"And how dare anybody tell you what to do or how to raise your children when there's always somebody else to blame bord..." Can you please tell me what you are talking about, Jamblessed? Why are you attacking me out of the blue here?

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:37am

And how dare anybody tell you what to do or how to raise your children when there's always somebody else to blame bord...

ETA hard hit counties are very much the ones measured and shown to be where more public assistance exists.  Maybe MO is backwards about that, I know my county is one of the poorest in the whole state so yea, public services are pretty big and services plenty.  Who is your governor?  Start at the top.  

 


 


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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:39am

bordwithyou wrote:
<p>"And how dare anybody tell you what to do or how to raise your children when there's always somebody else to blame bord..." Can you please tell me what you are talking about, Jamblessed? Why are you attacking me out of the blue here?</p>

Oh bord, you blame a lot of thngs on others but I won't go there.  This is about poverty.  

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:45am
"Oh bord, you blame a lot of thngs on others but I won't go there." You just went there, and that is an outright lie.
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:47am

bordwithyou wrote:
"Dear Mr Governor: please force dentists to practice in areas where they are not likely to be able to make enough money to pay off their student loans. Thsnks a bunch! Love, Bord."

:-).  Nice.

Doctors in poor communites are paid well to move there.  You know why?   

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 12-08-2013 - 8:49am

"Dear Mr Governor: Please force dentists to practice in areas where they are not likely to be able to make enough money to pay off their student loans. Thsnks a bunch! Love, Bord."  PS:  Jamblessed, I haven't researched conditions in Ohio, but you live in an urban area where services are more likely to exist.  Still, until you've walked the walk of a low-income person trying to access them, I wouldn't be too optimistic about their adequacy.

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