Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 2:50pm

Article on the home page of iV today..... http://www.ivillage.com/supreme-court-considers-gay-marriage-case/6-a-530493

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 2:52pm

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p>Can you even grasp how hurtful it is Jams when you put "rights" in quotation marks?  Can you even grasp that it feels like your kicking me in the stomach when you ask what "rights" "gay rights" fall under?   They fall under HUMAN rights. I am a human being.  you KNOW me.    Do you really think It's cool to be all "ha ha ha silly gays and their 'rights'?"   really?</p><p>I am so hurt right now... I really thought more highly of you </p>

She hasn't said anything on this thread that surprised me, unfortunately. 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:00pm
Then leave the thread, I'll follow you Katie. Gay rights among other poltiical issues are hugely debatable. You want this to get personal now? Wow! I find calling my church a judgemental one offensive and being called a bigot is offensive. This isn't about you it's about the issue and there will always be two sides of it just like other issues, Stand up for what you believe in but don't convince me of it.

 

 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:02pm

lifespeachy wrote:
Article on the front of iV today..... http://www.ivillage.com/supreme-court-considers-gay-marriage-case/6-a-530493

Good article, and this quote:

"The two cases before the Supreme Court this week, however, have renewed a hope that, ironically, reignites all my anger and sadness. Yes, things for my family are fine -- if unequal -- but they are not fine for everyone. And no matter how accepted I feel in my immediate community, my country has made a concerted effort to let me know that I am most definitely NOT accepted. And that is something I'm ashamed to say that I came to accept. Inequality is NOT acceptable."

bears repeating. Often.  And loudly.  By all of us.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:05pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Then leave the thread, I'll follow you Katie. Gay rights among other poltiical issues are hugely debatable. You want this to get personal now? Wow! I find calling my church a judgemental one offensive and being called a bigot is offensive. This isn't about you it's about the issue and there will always be two sides of it just like other issues, Stand up for what you believe in but don't convince me of it.

What's the more personal harm done here? You being called a bigot, or every gay couple in America being denied equal status and protection under the law.

You'll pardon me if I save my tears for the ones you're actively laughing at for wanting nothing more than to have their family granted the same rights every other family has.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:06pm

It's my church too remember?  and I never called you a bigot.   I have done nothing but call you a friend..

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:09pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Then leave the thread, I'll follow you Katie. Gay rights among other poltiical issues are hugely debatable. You want this to get personal now? Wow! I find calling my church a judgemental one offensive and being called a bigot is offensive. This isn't about you it's about the issue and there will always be two sides of it just like other issues, Stand up for what you believe in but don't convince me of it.

"Then leave the thread, I'll follow you Katie" -- is that a stalking threat?

"This isn't about you it's about the issue " -- no, it is about her.  She will be directly and signficantly affected by any legislation that comes out of this (or goes away because of this).  If this isn't about her, who the hell is it about?

"Stand up for what you believe in but don't convince me of it" -- oh, we realize that no one can convince you that you're just plain wrong.   But what YOU believe shouldn't prevent her from enjoying the EXACT SAME RIGHTS that you do.  In actualy, it is those that are oposed to gay marriage that are trying to affect those who are "gay married."  Extension of basic rights to married homosexuals will have NOT A SINGLE EFFECT on you and your daily life.  Her beliefs and life have NO EFFECT ON YOURS.  So why do you want *your* beliefs to have an effect on hers?

 

 

Why am I even wasting my breath/keystrokes?  SMH.

 

 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:11pm
More harm? Don't play score card with me. Again, Get the 41 other states on board with you, It's a non-issue for me albeit argumentative. It's a shame neither one of us will be around in 3013 to see how the church turns out hammer...

 


 


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Registered: 11-14-2011
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:11pm

"This isn't about you it's about the issue..." 

But the issue is about HUMAN rights. Yes, there are two sides of it.... Those who want to equal rights for ALL humans, and those who want to deny rights to SOME humans. The latter are bigots, no matter what you want to call it.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 3:13pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Then leave the thread, I'll follow you Katie. Gay rights among other poltiical issues are hugely debatable. You want this to get personal now? Wow! I find calling my church a judgemental one offensive and being called a bigot is offensive. This isn't about you it's about the issue and there will always be two sides of it just like other issues, Stand up for what you believe in but don't convince me of it.

Your church is judgmental.  That is a fact.  The cardinals, pope, hierarchy exist to make judgments.  That is a fact.  You seem to have something against facts, and calling things what they are.  You know what a bigot is, right?  Here's the dictionary definition:  "One intolerantly devoted to his own church, party, or opinion."  You are intolerant of homosexual marriage.  You are devoted to that opinion.  There is no reason not to call you a bigot. Everything you have said on this thread fits the definition of a bigot. 

The issue of gay rights is about how we as a society will treat gay people.  You are okay with denying some people the rights and privileges that other people enjoy.  How can that not be personal.

On what possible basis do you want to deny these rights to people like Katie and her family?

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