Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:56pm
Perhaps we should just go back to the days when women folk couldn't vote....
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:54pm
"Remind me again what gay rights falls under... " --------- Equal rights.
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:53pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Free public education is my childrens' right b/c a daddy and mommy live under one roof? Please!</p><p>ETA ALL children are deserving of a free education system, And that's a HUMAN right.  Remind me again what gay rights falls under...  Thank You and have a  nice one! </p>

Health insurance, you are going to do without health insurance?  Pension, social security and any assests from your spouse upon death (heaven forbid) you are just going to give up?  Life insurance?  There is so much that you take for granted as a married person under the eyes of the law and I find it horrible that you dismiss these items.

Gay rights are under equal rights for all.  Really common sense, perhaps that's the problem.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:51pm

Free public education is my childrens' right b/c a daddy and mommy live under one roof? Please!

ETA ALL children are deserving of a free education regardless of family dynamic, And that's a HUMAN right.  Remind me again what gay rights falls under...  Thank You and have a  nice one. 

 

 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:51pm
"ALL children are deserving of a free education system, And that's a HUMAN right." --------- Oh, are your children being denied an education?.... in the US?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:51pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Free public education is my childrens' right b/c a daddy and mommy live under one roof? Please!</p><p>ETA ALL children are deserving of a free education system, And that's a HUMAN right.  Remind me again what gay rights falls under...  Thank You and have a  nice one! </p>

Gay rights fall under human rights, too.  And under civil rights. And under the equal protection clause of the constitution. 

And yes, the UN Declaration of Human Rights includes free public education as a human right.  An entitlement. Something you seem to be against. Except, when you aren't. 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:49pm
"ETA ALL children are deserving of a free education system, And that's a HUMAN right. Remind me again what gay rights falls under... Thank You and have a nice one! " ------------- Uhm, it is paid for by taxes. It is an entitlement paid for by taxes. You said you would be happy to withdraw from all benefits and entitlements your family gets, and this would be one of them.Did you mean just the rights and benefits you get from marriage?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:48pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">BeaArthurisMyReligion</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p style="text-align:left"&gt;Let me try again.  I live in a state that recognizes marriage equality so yes, in this state I can share insurance with my wife.  But if I moved to say Texas I could not.  period.  my marriage is not legal in Texas.   you and your DH have moved quite a bit IIRC... and you were married in every state you moved to no matter what.  I will not be.  I can not move to Savanah like my wife would like to without giving up any shred of what legal rights we have as a married couple. Can you even imagine what this is like?  Can you even imagine wht it's like to have states VOTE on whether you can be married or not?   Imagine if the reverse were true ... if gay marriage was the norm and you were watching entire populations go to the polls to decide if you and your husband REALLY had the right to be married.  Do you really not get it? really? b/c I like you J .. I've always liked you.. and you see my FB page daily, we comment on each others kids, we support each other and yet you REALLY don't think my marriage deserves the same rights as yours? really?&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>And I understand how my right as a married woman works, My point is it shouldn't matter.  Go ahead, Get the 41 other states on board with you if these "rights" matter so much.  Happy Easter!</p>

What shouldn't matter? 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:47pm

<<And I understand how my right as a married woman works, My point is it shouldn't matter.  Go ahead, Get the 41 other states on board with you if these "rights" matter so much.  Happy Easter!>>

It's the federal group that needs to bet on board and of course it matters, trying doing without the benefits from YOUR marriage for even a week.  Of course it matters and it should matter to everyone for peats sake.


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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:44pm

<<On the other hand, I guess the fewer people getting married, the fewer spousal benefits the VA and Social Security has to pay, right?>>

Yep, just think of all those spouses who have never worked collecting the benefits of the working spouse through pensions, social security and other benefits.  

Disclaimer:  I am not against these, just making a point.

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