Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Registered: 02-20-2013
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 6:32pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
I really don't know, How many gay priests are there.. Is this something you're talking about in graduate school regina? Chilling really! What sites support your research? Thanks..

Why would I discuss homosexual priests in graduate school? I did a little research for you though. From Wiki: Evidence from several studies has shown that there are higher than average numbers of homosexual men (active and non-active) within the Catholic priesthood and higher orders; estimates presented in Donald B. Cozzens' book The Changing Face of the Priesthood range from 23–58%.[6]

There is this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9892743/Too-many-priests-preach-truth-but-live-a-lie.html

And this: http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=20565

This: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/father-bernard-lynch-gay-catholic-priest-talks_n_1661887.html

And this: http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-homophobic-catholic-church-filled-closeted-gay-priests

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Registered: 11-14-2011
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 6:57pm

"Turn on your critical thinking..
Seriously? That's laughable coming form you, but thanks for the tip."

I take that back.  Knowing that you simply mimic what you hear (or read) without understanding it actually makes this statement kind of sad.

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 7:03pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
No peach, Turn on your critical thinking.. Why is it a marriage should be a separate right than those who live single/solitary lives? Remove it all together is my thought on the subjct, What's yours? Do you even have one or do you only see this as an equal right vs biblical right issue?

Well duh, because they have chosen not to live single/separate lives.  Two people who have specifically chosen to be there for each have certain rights under the law that allows one to speak for the other.  Two people have chosen to join together, do you not remember your own marriage vows?   Really, you are married and have tons of rights simply because you are married, why deny others?  

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 7:05pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Ok, I'll take that this is a glimpse of real life and we're all judgemental, bigoted folks b/c it seriously does take one to know one... That's what MIL says anyway and she's always right.

Really all it takes is a quick read of someone's comments, to see their actions...if walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....it might just be a duck.

Given the comments you have made about your mil on this board, you might want to go back and address why bring family into the debate.  Really.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 10:02pm
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Sat, 03-30-2013 - 3:43am
"Why is it a marriage should be a separate right than those who live single/solitary lives? Remove it all together is my thought on the subject," --------------- Ok, that is a radical thought. Do you mean that we should simply do away with marriage as a legal, secular institution. IOW, the state does not care if you are married and has nothing to do with it one way or the other?
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Sat, 03-30-2013 - 5:30am

There are many people who are civilly married who are not considered married in the eyes of the Church. Why can't gay marriages be like that -- recognized by the state, but not by the church?

I have nowhere said that gay marriage should NOT be recognzied by the state, but another alternative is removing the rights you and I so freely get altogether b/c we're married to men too.  There's no place in the constitution that says b/c I'm married I'm entitled to these and those rights.  Why shouldn't next of kin be up to an individual to decide?  Treat applying for marriage like applying for a drivers license, Meet the state age requirements, prove citizenship, Pass a test then go on your marry way and do your thing.  If you want this significant other to be your next of kin in the event of an emergency then check it off like you would organ donation.  Love is not a legal contract and that's the distinction here. 

 


 


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Registered: 10-23-2001
Sat, 03-30-2013 - 5:50am

Thanks for clearing that up, I'd hate to think that what is said and snorted on a message board is an indication of real lessons in theology.

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sat, 03-30-2013 - 5:50am
But marriage has never equalled"love" in the eyes of the state. The state does not care if you are in love. In the eyes of the state, marriage is simply a means of holding and transmitting property and a means of determining legal paternity.
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Sat, 03-30-2013 - 5:52am
The sexual orientation of priests has little or nothing to do with theology.

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