Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:20pm
"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:21pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
Oh bord, don't confuse constitutional rights for politics!

Without a constitution there wouldn't be politics.

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:21pm

Let me try again.  I live in a state that recognizes marriage equality so yes, in this state I can share insurance with my wife.  But if I moved to say Texas I could not.  period.  my marriage is not legal in Texas.   you and your DH have moved quite a bit IIRC... and you were married in every state you moved to no matter what.  I will not be.  I can not move to Savanah like my wife would like to without giving up any shred of what legal rights we have as a married couple. Can you even imagine what this is like?  Can you even imagine wht it's like to have states VOTE on whether you can be married or not?   Imagine if the reverse were true ... if gay marriage was the norm and you were watching entire populations go to the polls to decide if you and your husband REALLY had the right to be married.  Do you really not get it? really? b/c I like you J .. I've always liked you.. and you see my FB page daily, we comment on each others kids, we support each other and yet you REALLY don't think my marriage deserves the same rights as yours? really?

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:21pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>An actual birth certificate proving citizenship and all is a pretty important thing IMO, In these times anyway. But about what you don't know in how my husband signs up for insurance, No, That's updated every year and he has never had to pull out our marriage license to satisfy enrollment. Gay unions get to do the same thing which is cool, But which also takes me back to my statement this morning... Take away a marriage provision, Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now.</p>

Yeah, I know how insurance works.  Typically you have something like thirty days after a marriage to add the partner, and at that time you have to show the marriage certificate.  Same with the birth of the child - some grace period to add the kid to your plan, and yeah, you do have to show documentation that the child is yours.  No, you don't have to re-show it every year you reenroll.

What rights as a single person is your sister denied?  The right to inherit from the partner she doesn't have?  The right to be considered the next-of-kin to the partner she doesn't have?  I am confused.

Some businesses cover for gay partners, some do not.  Some states allow gay marriage, some do not.  Do you really think that people should have the right to vote on other people's marriages?  Who did you have to convince to vote to accept your family as a legal family?   Oh, right, nobody.  And yet, Katie doesn't have that same privilege, and you think that is okay.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:23pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative, I won't debate that with you tho.

I'm a fiscal conservative and I believe in marriage equality. You won't debate the issue b/c you know you don't have a leg to stand on. And you can claim to love Katie all you want. You still discriminate against her b/c of her sexuality. Which makes you a bigot.

Also, my fifth grader has a greater grasp of American History and how the government works than you do. He's eleven. He also writes grammatically correct sentences and uses spell check. You might want to check into grammar check and spell check so that when you're writing hateful and ignorant stuff, you don't sound like even more of an uneducated moron...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:24pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Where is love a constitutional right? It's not but it can be found in the ten commandments... And you know what that means, Yes, Separation of church and state.</p>

I suggest you research, a lot.

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:27pm
"Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now." ------ What rights are your sister and your kids being denied?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:27pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>There are no automatic freebies I get as a married woman! And no, You are wrong that I can walk in to any hospital b/c I'm his next of kin, No more than you would if your dear spouse was dying!</p>

Yes, there are quite a number of automatic freebies as a married woman, I share them with you and think that anyone should have those same rights under our government.  I again suggest you research this topic because your comments show a lack of understanding of some very basic things.  

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:30pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.

Sorry mops, Perhaps I should do more of this "quoting" myself!  My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that.  I don't take and spend the way others do anyway. 

 

 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:30pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>And furthermore, The federal government is already broke and that's b/c too many people take advantage of entitlements!  I hope drastic changes get made by the time my kids are ready to make decisions for themselves, Marriage doesn't need to be one of those entitlements.</p>

This doesn't have any basis in facts and has nothing to do with marriage equality.  How on earth would people getting married cost the government?

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