Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:32pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">rollmops2009</em> wrote:</div>"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.</blockquote></p><p>Sorry mops, Perhaps I should do more of this "quoting" myself!  My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that.  I don't take and spend the way others do anyway. </p>

You're not going to do that.  You are pretty sure that your kids are entitled to a free public education, including special education  (so am I, by the way).  You are not going to pull them from that and put them in private school.  You are not going to turn down the mortgage deduction or the child deduction on your taxes.  You are not going to refuse to collect Social Security. 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:33pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>DH buys family coverage through his work, Yes. We don't prove we are married though, The number of dependents pretty much qualifies that. Uncle Sam could do that too. And if a tax auditor was really concerned whether there were 5 of us here they could knock on our door to check, Big government at work and all.</p>

You do know that these items are registered with the social security office, when numbers and everything.  Right?  

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:33pm
"a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that." -------- Do you really know what that means? Are you sersiously willing to go there?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:34pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
"DH buys family insurance coverage through his work, Yes. We don't prove we are married though," ------------ Are you serious? He can't buy that insurance unless you are married. Surely you know that? If I am working, I can't just claim my friend from across the street on my policy.

Yep, anytime you had someone with a "life change" you have to provide either a birth certificate, adoption papers or a marriage license.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:35pm

pumpkinangel wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;And furthermore, The federal government is already broke and that's b/c too many people take advantage of entitlements!  I hope drastic changes get made by the time my kids are ready to make decisions for themselves, Marriage doesn't need to be one of those entitlements.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>This doesn't have any basis in facts and has nothing to do with marriage equality.  How on earth would people getting married cost the government?</p>

In fact in some cases, people pay a "marriage penalty" and have to pay MORE taxes to the federal government than they would pay if they were single.....On the other hand, I guess the fewer people getting married, the fewer spousal benefits the VA and Social Security has to pay, right?

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:35pm
"My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that." ------------ Oh, ok, the way you can do that is by not taking any of the deductions you are entitled to, get divorced so that you won't burden the government by claiming his social security, for example, and then you should look into buying your own insurance instead of scrounging it off his employer.
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:37pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">rollmops2009</em> wrote:</div>"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.</blockquote></p><p>Sorry mops, Perhaps I should do more of this "quoting" myself!  My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that.  I don't take and spend the way others do anyway. </p>

You must really hate gay people if you are willing to throw away all your privileges rather than scoot over and let gay people have their share.  Really, there's plenty of room at the table.

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:37pm
Jams, yes, you would also need to withdraw your kids from public school and finding a private school to put them in.
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:40pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>An actual birth certificate proving citizenship and all is a pretty important thing IMO, In these times anyway. But about what you don't know in how my husband signs up for insurance, No, That's updated every year and he has never had to pull out our marriage license to satisfy enrollment. Gay unions get to do the same thing which is cool, But which also takes me back to my statement this morning... Take away a marriage provision, Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now.</p>

Yea, I actually do know how it works and you do have to provide proof of a life event such as marriage, adoption or birth within 30 days normally of the event.  One doesn't have to do it each year, but yes...it had to be done at one point in time.  Trust me, I actually supervise this stuff.

<<Take away a marriage provision, Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now.>>

What rights are limited for you?


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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:40pm

BeaArthurisMyReligion wrote:
<p style="text-align:left">Let me try again.  I live in a state that recognizes marriage equality so yes, in this state I can share insurance with my wife.  But if I moved to say Texas I could not.  period.  my marriage is not legal in Texas.   you and your DH have moved quite a bit IIRC... and you were married in every state you moved to no matter what.  I will not be.  I can not move to Savanah like my wife would like to without giving up any shred of what legal rights we have as a married couple. Can you even imagine what this is like?  Can you even imagine wht it's like to have states VOTE on whether you can be married or not?   Imagine if the reverse were true ... if gay marriage was the norm and you were watching entire populations go to the polls to decide if you and your husband REALLY had the right to be married.  Do you really not get it? really? b/c I like you J .. I've always liked you.. and you see my FB page daily, we comment on each others kids, we support each other and yet you REALLY don't think my marriage deserves the same rights as yours? really?</p>

And I understand how my right as a married woman works, My point is it shouldn't matter.  Go ahead, Get the 41 other states on board with you if these "rights" matter so much.  Happy Easter!

 

 

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