Marriage equality argument

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Marriage equality argument
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Tue, 03-26-2013 - 8:21pm

So the sole argument against marriage equality is that marriage is for procreation? Where exactly does that leave menopausal women? Or men with ED? Or the infertile? 

I can not believe we are STILL having this discussion in 2013. I have noticed that it is generational though--many of boomers I know are against it. Gen Xers like myself and younger are generally in favor...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:33pm
"a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that." -------- Do you really know what that means? Are you sersiously willing to go there?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:33pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>DH buys family coverage through his work, Yes. We don't prove we are married though, The number of dependents pretty much qualifies that. Uncle Sam could do that too. And if a tax auditor was really concerned whether there were 5 of us here they could knock on our door to check, Big government at work and all.</p>

You do know that these items are registered with the social security office, when numbers and everything.  Right?  

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:32pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">rollmops2009</em> wrote:</div>"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.</blockquote></p><p>Sorry mops, Perhaps I should do more of this "quoting" myself!  My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that.  I don't take and spend the way others do anyway. </p>

You're not going to do that.  You are pretty sure that your kids are entitled to a free public education, including special education  (so am I, by the way).  You are not going to pull them from that and put them in private school.  You are not going to turn down the mortgage deduction or the child deduction on your taxes.  You are not going to refuse to collect Social Security. 

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:30pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>And furthermore, The federal government is already broke and that's b/c too many people take advantage of entitlements!  I hope drastic changes get made by the time my kids are ready to make decisions for themselves, Marriage doesn't need to be one of those entitlements.</p>

This doesn't have any basis in facts and has nothing to do with marriage equality.  How on earth would people getting married cost the government?

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:30pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
"I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative," ----------- So am I. That has absolutely zero to do with gay marriage, and I am completely stumped as to how you think it does.

Sorry mops, Perhaps I should do more of this "quoting" myself!  My conservative post was a reply to a post that my husband, family and I just remove ourselves all togehter from tax entitlments, No problem, I may just do that.  I don't take and spend the way others do anyway. 

 

 

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:27pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>There are no automatic freebies I get as a married woman! And no, You are wrong that I can walk in to any hospital b/c I'm his next of kin, No more than you would if your dear spouse was dying!</p>

Yes, there are quite a number of automatic freebies as a married woman, I share them with you and think that anyone should have those same rights under our government.  I again suggest you research this topic because your comments show a lack of understanding of some very basic things.  

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Registered: 11-14-2011
Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:27pm
"Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now." ------ What rights are your sister and your kids being denied?
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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:24pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Where is love a constitutional right? It's not but it can be found in the ten commandments... And you know what that means, Yes, Separation of church and state.</p>

I suggest you research, a lot.

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:23pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
I'm already a pretty fiscal conservative, I won't debate that with you tho.

I'm a fiscal conservative and I believe in marriage equality. You won't debate the issue b/c you know you don't have a leg to stand on. And you can claim to love Katie all you want. You still discriminate against her b/c of her sexuality. Which makes you a bigot.

Also, my fifth grader has a greater grasp of American History and how the government works than you do. He's eleven. He also writes grammatically correct sentences and uses spell check. You might want to check into grammar check and spell check so that when you're writing hateful and ignorant stuff, you don't sound like even more of an uneducated moron...

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Fri, 03-29-2013 - 1:21pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>An actual birth certificate proving citizenship and all is a pretty important thing IMO, In these times anyway. But about what you don't know in how my husband signs up for insurance, No, That's updated every year and he has never had to pull out our marriage license to satisfy enrollment. Gay unions get to do the same thing which is cool, But which also takes me back to my statement this morning... Take away a marriage provision, Perhaps that will enable my sister, my own children down the road rights we limit so much now.</p>

Yeah, I know how insurance works.  Typically you have something like thirty days after a marriage to add the partner, and at that time you have to show the marriage certificate.  Same with the birth of the child - some grace period to add the kid to your plan, and yeah, you do have to show documentation that the child is yours.  No, you don't have to re-show it every year you reenroll.

What rights as a single person is your sister denied?  The right to inherit from the partner she doesn't have?  The right to be considered the next-of-kin to the partner she doesn't have?  I am confused.

Some businesses cover for gay partners, some do not.  Some states allow gay marriage, some do not.  Do you really think that people should have the right to vote on other people's marriages?  Who did you have to convince to vote to accept your family as a legal family?   Oh, right, nobody.  And yet, Katie doesn't have that same privilege, and you think that is okay.

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