Misogyny in the Catholic Church

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Misogyny in the Catholic Church
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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 12:18am

Since I'm currently taking a history class focused on early religion (pre-reformation, so there is no other church but the Catholic church), I'm repeatedly struck by the absolute misogyny of the Medieval Church. The portrayal of women as she-devils and amount of propoganda (Peter Damian is one to read) positively villifying women culminating with Pope Gregory VII's reforms in the 11th century positively take my breath away. 

While I realize why it was done: get rid of simony & lay investiture (corruption), centralize power & reestablish the papacy as the dominating geo-political force in the region and the patriarichal context of the society at the time, History was rewritten to wipe out the fact that women (deaconesses, wives of priests) served right along side the men for the first millineum of the church's existence. Now, in the third millineum, I am struck by the fact that, women are still second class citizens in the Catholic Church. 

Galatians 3:28  says "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." So how do you come to terms with a faith in which you are not equal (or worthy of ordination/performing sacraments) because of your genitalia?

On Wednesdays we wear pink.

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 7:44am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>Maybe she's mad at the "Nuns on the Bus." One of my favorite fb pages.</blockquote></p><p>No, It's more than that.</p><p><a href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/pope-stands-firm-reforming-radical-feminist-u-nuns-154413631.html" rel="nofollow">http://in.news.yahoo.com/pope-stands-firm-reforming-radical-feminist-u-nuns-154413631.html</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

Damn nuns.  Goin' around, helpin' people. Gives Catholicism a bad name....

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 7:03am

LOL I"m pretty sure I wasn't given a choice  when i was in 8th grade LOL... I don't know honestly we really haven't talked about it.. i'm good at avoidance.

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 7:00am
What does your daughter think about the confirmation? Since confirmation is supposed to be the kid assuming control of her/his faith journey, I was pretty clear that whether to go through with it had to be the kids' choice.
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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:58am

bordwithyou wrote:
Maybe she's mad at the "Nuns on the Bus." One of my favorite fb pages.

No, It's more than that.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/pope-stands-firm-reforming-radical-feminist-u-nuns-154413631.html

 

 

 

 

 

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:43am

I am a big fan of Sister Simone and admire her greatly, and was apalled at the sanctions that Benedict sent down on American nuns... I do like many things about this new Pope but recently read he agreed with benedict... so I don't know.  All I do know is that for me and for many many Catholic women (and men) like me it's a complicated and painful issue.  I love my faith but I do not love my church leadership very much, I am devoted to my prayers to divine intercession to Mary and continue to pray to her daily,  and currently am really torn about what to do about whether to have my daughter confirmed or not... there's no easy answer right now

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:36am
Maybe she's mad at the "Nuns on the Bus." One of my favorite fb pages.
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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:34am
The exaltation of the Virgin is not exactly good news for ordinary women, since she has been defined in a way that is impossible for ordinary women to emulate: Perfect Mother and yet Perpetual Virgin.
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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:23am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>I am personally appalled there is a reform of women that are trying to change American Catholics </p>

What on earth is "a reform of women"?  and why would such a thing be harmful to a Church that is vested in the idea of denying women voice in any true form of Church leadership?
 

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:20am

My brothers were only allowed to serve back in the 70s and 80s, I remember that.  But women did have a role, They were ccd teachers and they were lectors and eucharistic ministers at mass.  They had important parts in First Communion formation too and they stood next to Monisgnor B in my First Communion class picture.  I am personally appalled there is a reform of women that are trying to change American Catholics and I'm grateful that is denounced by the Vatican.  I love this pope already, I hope he returns some humility to the church.

 

 

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Wed, 04-17-2013 - 6:04am

Was the mother of God treated like a second class citizen? Reform your church all you want but stay off the Catholic church. Misogyny is harsh and it's ignorant.