Oprah and Education?

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Oprah and Education?
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Fri, 09-24-2010 - 5:10pm

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Sat, 09-25-2010 - 1:00pm
I worked for a lady in NY who had a shop selling made to order clothes. All her seamstresses were from Poland.

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Sat, 09-25-2010 - 3:36pm

Unfortunately, that can feed into the anti-(illegal)immigrant groups. Which seem to be more pro-white America (read northern European immigrant who immigrated 200 years ago, give or take). I'd have more sympathy for their cause if there was some evidence that these workers are actually taking jobs from American citizens and are, in fact, here illegally. But, at once time, weren't we all?

Chris

edited to change anti-white to pro-white which is what I meant.






Edited 9/26/2010 10:43 am ET by sewchris703

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Sat, 09-25-2010 - 3:38pm

My fellow employees in most of my sewing jobs were immigrants from another country. Not one of them were from American citizen families who have been here several generations.

Chris

The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett

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Sat, 09-25-2010 - 3:43pm
I believe it. When I first moved to Greece, it was still a "live" occupation here. One of my aunts, for example, was used to buying fabrics and patterns, then having the seamstress sew up some clothes. But it is dying out here too. People would rather pay through the nose to send their kids to 7th rate (and that is being kind) colleges in places like Bulgaria than have them train in a respectable trade.

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Sat, 09-25-2010 - 5:07pm

I don't understand kindergarten graduations, preschool graduatations...any of that. What does the child get out of it? It sounds like another burden on the parent's time.

When I was in 5th grade we had a graduation from elementary school going into middle school. I did not enjoy it, and my mother bore the burden of having to take time off work to attend that day.

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Sun, 09-26-2010 - 1:29am

The problem with tenure is that they can't fire them. Supposedly it's very difficult--my dad worked at a school with a teacher who started a fire in a small room near the gym. She was the only one who got hurt luckily. They still couldn't fire her.

And you may be right about how americans get caught up in ideas etc, but I never met anyone who wanted NCLB or liked anything about it.






Edited 9/26/2010 1:31 am ET by litlmiss_cantbewrong

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Sun, 09-26-2010 - 2:59am

Oh, I understand the problem with tenure, I didn't mean that. It exists in every school system I know of. All I meant is that I don't think this is the main problem when it comes to teaching/teachers. I don't think it is even very high on the list of problems, but it makes good copy.

NCLB may have been a bad example, since it was law imposed from above. However, at the time, there was quite a lot of support in many quarters for uniform testing and other features of NCLB.


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Sun, 09-26-2010 - 7:41am

I like alot of NCLB. Several changes helped children with disabilities. It was mainly a rehash of the education bill from the 1960's that worked fairly well.

It is the addition of AYP and the like that I and most people have issues. But that is actually a very small part of the total bill.

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Sun, 09-26-2010 - 9:31am

I think the problem with education is that even when you have excellent teachers, they often aren't allowed to focus on teaching. We really expect a single person alone in a room with 25 students to be teaching fractions to all 25 of them WHILE teaching multiplication facts to the 4 that never learned them WHILE while trying to calm the child with autism (yes there is a para, but she has other classrooms to visit) WHILE filling out real-time observation sheets on 3 children with behavior plans...

Even the best teachers can only be in one place at a time.





















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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 8:48am

I know what your getting at and 25 student to one teacher is a very high ratio but yes, i do expect my kids techers to teach them. If I did not expect a teacher to teach I would have homeschooled.

There are some wonderful teachers who have taught my children well, while having to do what teachers have to do.

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