Oprah and Education?

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Oprah and Education?
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Fri, 09-24-2010 - 5:10pm

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 4:30pm

No, you are right that we did not go back to the village for months at a time. However, apart from that, I am absolutely who she is talking about on the face of it, and IME that degree of absenteeism is not common among immigrants.

My reason for bringing it up is twofold, the first is that bilingualism need not be a problem; the second is that inability to speak English, either by parent or child or both, is not the real problem, but it is for some reason acceptable shorthand for the constellation of real problems involved.


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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 4:48pm

That absenteeism is common here with many immigrants. And the subject of transiency was one of the problems in the post I was responding to, not just a parent who does not speak the language.

Did you attend any meetings at your dd's school or parent teacher conferences or speak with any teachers over the years? Did you do any research into school before enrolling your child in the schools she went to? If so what language did you speak with them and/or did they provide an interpreter?

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 4:59pm

Communicating with the teachers was a recurring problem. I did go to most of the meetings, but I could neither understand much, nor participate much. There were a few administrators who spoke English, but there was still the cultural divide to breach.

Obviously being transient is a problem. Ditto for being poor, uneducated etc. There can also be a "critical mass" problem in a school if you have a large and linguistically coherent group of non-English speakers. All I am trying to say is that bilingualism in and of itself is not really a problem.


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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:21pm

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I didn't get that from her post. She didn't say non-English speaking parents were to blame, but parents who don't value their children's education were to blame.

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:25pm

But where did she place the blame on the parents' inability to speak the language? She mentioned it in her post, sure, b/c it can have an impact, but here is what she said about putting blame on parents:

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IMO, that applies to ALL parents, regardless of whether they can speak English.

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:26pm

you raise a lot of great points.

 

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:26pm
I think we have students/parents that speak about 90 different languages in our district! We do have interpreters who come to sped meetings for the parents--but the school has to know that it is needed too.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:37pm

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I agree, but I didn't see anyone here saying that it was the main problem. It can be part of the problem though. Did neither you nor your husband not speak the native language *at all* in the school your dd attended?

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 5:37pm
i clarified in my post because i know, some do refer to special ed as resource teachers.

 

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Mon, 09-27-2010 - 6:20pm

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I agree. All I'm saying is that a teacher's job should be to TEACH. Period. Instead they are constantly forced to turn their attention AWAY from teaching in order to fulfill a bunch of non-pedagogical requirements. For example, every day I stand around watching the kids eat (lunch duty). Wouldn't that time be better spent if I were allowed to use that time to meet with parents, plan, grade or tutor?





















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