Paying for College

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Mon, 04-07-2014 - 3:18am

Since the subject has been debated here often enough, this article may be of interest to some:

"A lot of Internet ink has been spilled over how lazy and entitled Millennials are, but when it comes to paying for a college education, work ethic isn't the limiting factor. The economic cards are stacked such that today’s average college student, without support from financial aid and family resources, would need to complete 48 hours of minimum-wage work a week to pay for his courses—a feat that would require superhuman endurance, or maybe a time machine."

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/the-myth-of-working-your-way-through-college/359735/?google_editors_picks=true

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 6:45pm

savcal2011 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p Nowadays it isn't  unusual for high school counselors to have several hundred students to advise.  Personal attention is hard to come by in those situations.  Many parents hire private college consultants to guide them through the process now.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>We have three counselors for about 1000 students.  </p>

My kids' high school has three counselors too, they are broken up by alphabet and where the first letter of your last name falls.

 


 


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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 7:07pm

Same way in our high school and by grades. Not sure how many though. Each grade has about 600 kids. We had 1,600. 

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 7:08pm
Lack of high school counselor a to help with the search/admissions/financial aid negotiations process is a real shame. Not all kids who could benefit from college have savvy parents or parents willing to pay for a private admissions coach/counselor.
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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 7:31pm
The elementary school where we once lived had two or three counselors there too, But it was less about preparing a kid for college as developing and empowering social skills, anti-bully campaigns etc. They were always starting up these clubs too, They do good work.

 

 

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 7:44pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>Lack of high school counselor a to help with the search/admissions/financial aid negotiations process is a real shame. Not all kids who could benefit from college have savvy parents or parents willing to pay for a private admissions coach/counselor.</blockquote></p><p>I'd think a parent less used to the whole college process would have the most questions for a high school counselor.  </p>
.  Me too. And if there are a small percentage of parents like that in a cohort, thd counselor probably haa time to give the first-generation families the attention they need to navigate the process.  

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 7:46pm

bordwithyou wrote:
Lack of high school counselor a to help with the search/admissions/financial aid negotiations process is a real shame. Not all kids who could benefit from college have savvy parents or parents willing to pay for a private admissions coach/counselor.

I'd think a parent less used to the whole college process would have the most questions for a high school counselor.  Or better yet, point them in the direction of a "consultant, There's a cause you could collect money for and donate to. 

 

 

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 8:10pm

If by cohort you mean molly how is she less savvy than you? She's not expressed lack of knowledge or experience about the college process. I'm actually surprised, given your experiences and education, that you'd hire a private consultant, What in return did you get for that? Perhaps there is something someone less schooled could learn from you, And the expense for it could be raised via charity or fund raiser. 

 

 

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Sat, 04-12-2014 - 10:08pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>If by cohort you mean molly how is she less savvy than you? She's not expressed lack of knowledge or experience about the college process. I'm actually surprised, given your experiences and education, that you'd hire a private consultant, What in return did you get for that? Perhaps there is something someone less schooled could learn from you, And the expense for it could be raised via charity or fund raiser.</p>
. Blacksndwhitemollly has nothing to do with this.  I was speaking of the percentage of first-generation or otherwise disadvantaged students iamong the many hundreds that a high school counselor is responsible for.  If there are just a few students among them who require significant help in negotiating the college selection and admissions process, that's manageable.  If there are a significant number, that could be a problem.  I have no clue why you jumped to the conclusion I had hired a college admissions counselor.

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Sun, 04-13-2014 - 4:13am
"Maybe rising costs are because of abuse and neglect with this system too" ----------- No, college tuition costs are not related to fraud in the student loan system. The main reason for the immense rise in college costs is that for a couple of decades, the market could bear it. There were lots of students and lots of money floating around. College costs have risen much, much more than inflation, HHI income etc. in the last 20 years.
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Sun, 04-13-2014 - 7:26am

bordwithyou wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;If by cohort you mean molly how is she less savvy than you? She's not expressed lack of knowledge or experience about the college process. I'm actually surprised, given your experiences and education, that you'd hire a private consultant, What in return did you get for that? Perhaps there is something someone less schooled could learn from you, And the expense for it could be raised via charity or fund raiser.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote>. Blacksndwhitemollly has nothing to do with this.  I was speaking of the percentage of first-generation or otherwise disadvantaged students iamong the many hundreds that a high school counselor is responsible for.  If there are just a few students among them who require significant help in negotiating the college selection and admissions process, that's manageable.  If there are a significant number, that could be a problem.  I have no clue why you jumped to the conclusion I had hired a college admissions counselor.</p>

That's good.  So the college process is a problem that starts at the high school level, What do you do about? 

 


 


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