Paying for College

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Mon, 04-07-2014 - 3:18am

Since the subject has been debated here often enough, this article may be of interest to some:

"A lot of Internet ink has been spilled over how lazy and entitled Millennials are, but when it comes to paying for a college education, work ethic isn't the limiting factor. The economic cards are stacked such that today’s average college student, without support from financial aid and family resources, would need to complete 48 hours of minimum-wage work a week to pay for his courses—a feat that would require superhuman endurance, or maybe a time machine."

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/the-myth-of-working-your-way-through-college/359735/?google_editors_picks=true

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 8:21am

DD2s college selection was easy.  She fell in love at first site with the school DD1 attended.  She only appilied for others because counselors said she should.

The school that DD1 attended was not her first choice.  She knew that it was a very long shot getting into where she wanted to but appled anyway.  The school she did attend was her second choice so not a major disapointmeny and I do think it was a good fit for her. 

The one thing DD3 knew going in was she she definitely did not want to go to the school her sister's attended. She choose where she wanted to go fairly early and also only applied to others on advice of her counselors.

They have a college fair every year at the high schools where universities from all over the country come.  While kids of any age can attend  the push is for the sophomores.   They also had a smaller fair with just Texas schools at DD3s school where you could get more hands on info and attention.

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 9:05am

pumpkinangel wrote:
<pHas she not ever seen a college campus yet?  Ime, it is very common for kids of all ages to have been on campus for a variety of things from athletic to academic to summer experiences, overnight visits as well.  Outside of the college counselor sending documents to colleges, we haven't really used the school counselor and I don't anticpate using them for my younger child either, they start too late, imo.</p>

That's one of the nice things about living in a college town and working for the University. Both my kids have a very good idea of what OSU is all about, what it's like, etc.  Having done concurrent enrollment this semester furthered that knowledge for The Girl.  She knew pretty early on that she didn't want to go to school here.  We didn't even do an official college visit or tour or even do an official application here.

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 9:06am

blackandwhitemolly wrote:
<p>IME, kids go visit colleges closer to graduation. Many dont even know what they want to study until jr. or sr. year. There is no need to pressure them into making a decision that young. Wonder why you are having such a hard time with your child going to college. </p>

IME, the decision isn't made that young ... but the gathering of the information and experiences that will be used to make that decision in a few years starts that young.

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 9:07am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<pMy kids, knock wood, know that college is a natural progression after high school, We've spoken about college long before their 9th grade year, The notion otherwise is funny, Lol.  Of course there are programs at colleges as are there sport camps there too, I enrolled DS in a soccer camp at Colgate one year, Now that was fun.  Molly is right, Kids don't technically start visiting campuses until later on when they are closer to applying to colleges, YMMV. </p>

Yes, but we weren't talking of YOUR kids. We were talking about the process in general. It isn't a "natural progression" for all kids. Nor is the contrary a funny notion.

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 9:09am

emptynester2009 wrote:
<p>DD2s college selection was easy.  She fell in love at first site with the school DD1 attended.  She only appilied for others because counselors said she should.</p><p>The school that DD1 attended was not her first choice.  She knew that it was a very long shot getting into where she wanted to but appled anyway.  The school she did attend was her second choice so not a major disapointmeny and I do think it was a good fit for her. </p><p>The one thing DD3 knew going in was she she definitely did not want to go to the school her sister's attended. She choose where she wanted to go fairly early and also only applied to others on advice of her counselors.</p><p>They have a college fair every year at the high schools where universities from all over the country come.  While kids of any age can attend  the push is for the sophomores.   They also had a smaller fair with just Texas schools at DD3s school where you could get more hands on info and attention. </p>

The Girl only applied to one school.   It was a pretty easy, targeted choice for her.

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 10:22am

Talking about college in general and having the ability to explain different types of schools, majors, and living arrangements are two different things. I know high school students whose parents may do the former, but don't have the knowledge to explain the latter. I was in this camp as a high school student. My parents knew very little about college, so while they encouraged me to go, I never knew that I had any other options other than what I'd picked up myself (which was very little.) 

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 10:24am

bordwithyou wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I thought we were speaking of children whose parents might not be capable of  giving them the expectation that college is the natural progression from high school.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is your point..  Keep those parents you call not savvy where they are?  How do you empower parents to plant that seed early themselves?  It's not the high school counselor that should be entirely shamed like you said earlier either...  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote>. I did not "shame" high school counselors.  I pointed out that it is difficult for counts lies to identify talented students who need extra suppirt when they are in charge of hundreds of students.  No one can go back in time when a child is fourteen or fifteen and empower the parents to do something earlier.</p>

What can't a child learn at 14 or 15 that they could at a younger age? 

 

 

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 10:29am

That's pretty awesome emptynester. I grew up with siblings that all went to the same college, My brother and I were the only ones that chose different colleges. I hope my three kids chose their own paths, meaning schools, and have something to call their own in those experiences.  We were at DH's college alma mater the other month for a production of Les Mis, DD2 fell head over heals for the college b/c she is all about drama. She is actually taking that class as an elective next year in 10th and she couldn't be more thrilled, Lol.

 

 

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 10:30am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;I thought we were speaking of children whose parents might not be capable of  giving them the expectation that college is the natural progression from high school.&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;So what is your point..  Keep those parents you call not savvy where they are?  How do you empower parents to plant that seed early themselves?  It's not the high school counselor that should be entirely shamed like you said earlier either...  &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;. I did not "shame" high school counselors.  I pointed out that it is difficult for counts lies to identify talented students who need extra suppirt when they are in charge of hundreds of students.  No one can go back in time when a child is fourteen or fifteen and empower the parents to do something earlier.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>What can't a child learn at 14 or 15 that they <em>could</em> at a younger age? </p>
. Why did you think it desirable to implant the idea of college as a logical progression from secondary school long  before your children were that age?

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Mon, 04-14-2014 - 10:40am
You make it sound like age 14 or 15 is too late to plant a seed about schooling after high school bordwithyou, What about that age is less influential than early ages? My experiences in talking to my children from an early age is just my experience, I can't imagine shutting off a kid at 14 or 15 b/c you didn't talk about it sooner.

 

 

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