Speaking of Poverty

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Speaking of Poverty
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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 9:18am

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130314/NEWS/303140038/IN-DEPTH-Study-County-s-poorer-kids-hit-hard-by-asthma

 

Poor kids have greater chances of asthma, Substandard housing being a contributing factor.  What would you change/add if money was no object?  What are your thoughts and experiences? 

 

 

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 10:56am

jamblessedthree wrote:
You're absolutely right Marla, I AM removed from poverty - no experience in it but we're not so segreated from it either and I don't buy the political nonsense that in orer to help those in poverty we must eliminate poverty!

Could you please give me an example of the political nonsense you're referencing to give me some context?

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Registered: 11-14-2011
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:01am
I have no idea what you're asking. Can you clarify the topic?
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Registered: 11-14-2011
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:03am

"Or are you so removed from this to not know this exists? "

Who are you addressing?  In the past, Jams, it seems it's you who would deny the existance of those living in poverty.  Has your position changed?

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:05am

geschichtsgal wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">just_another_marla</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;Well, The reality is that poverty isn't only an economic conditon but also a culture. No, I really don't mean to bring Romney into this but you just did!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Poverty is a CULTURE? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;WT HOLY F? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Could you please expand on this? Because I think we live in separate realities.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>There is actually a lot of research in social work about the culture of poverty.  Not people who are poor for a brief time due to specific circumstances, but families and areas where everyone is impoverished and has been for generations.  People who live in this culture tend to relate to the world differently than people who don't. </p>

I understand the concept of generational poverty, but I don't think most people remain in poverty out of choice. I think what is seen academically here as "culture" is really just the consequence of a life lived on the margins. I'm not sure many here would really understand what poverty does to someone's self-esteem and confidence levels. 

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Registered: 11-14-2011
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:05am

Are you suggesting that poverty is a reason for having CPS in the homes of children?  "poor people shouldn't have kids?"

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:12am

jamblessedthree wrote:
You're absolutely right Marla, I AM removed from poverty - no experience in it but we're not so segreated from it either and I don't buy the political nonsense that in orer to help those in poverty we must eliminate poverty!

You don't?  So.....you would prefer to KEEP poverty?

Why?

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:16am

just_another_marla wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">geschichtsgal</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;just_another_marla&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class="quote-author"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em class="placeholder"&amp;gt;jamblessedthree&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;Well, The reality is that poverty isn't only an economic conditon but also a culture. No, I really don't mean to bring Romney into this but you just did!&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Poverty is a CULTURE? &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;WT HOLY F? &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Could you please expand on this? Because I think we live in separate realities.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is actually a lot of research in social work about the culture of poverty.  Not people who are poor for a brief time due to specific circumstances, but families and areas where everyone is impoverished and has been for generations.  People who live in this culture tend to relate to the world differently than people who don't. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>I understand the concept of generational poverty, but I don't think most people remain in poverty out of choice. I think what is seen academically here as "culture" is really just the consequence of a life lived on the margins. I'm not sure many here would really understand what poverty does to someone's self-esteem and confidence levels. </p>

I completely agree, Marla.  And briefly scanning some articles, it looks like "culture of poverty" was coined in the 70s and there are lots of articles supporting parts of the original theory and lots of articles refuting it.  But, I do think that the intention is/was to describe the effect of poverty on things like self-esteem and confidence.  I have never bought the idea of the welfare queen popping out more babies so her check is larger each month.  It's not too bad being poor when you have parents who can lend you money if you get in a real bind or when you know it is temporary.  It's something else entirely when you know that if you make one slightly risky move and it turns out badly that you and your kids will be living in a car.

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:20am

jamblessedthree wrote:
I'll reply... Schools are title I here, More kids than not live in filth, They come to school dirty, unkept and underfed. If it's really bad hotline numbers are called and social work and HHS is big here, Thank God! I think we need to look more at the children during admissions, If preschool, as example, becomes a mandatory thing then let's make sure these kids are living in environments that enable growth and leanring potential too.. Social work could be a serious contender against more sophisticated professions tagged for tomorrow.

Curious, you didn't answer your own questions.  Are you still against the Head Start program or has that changed?

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:23am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><a href="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130314/NEWS/303140038/IN-DEPTH-Study-County-s-poorer-kids-hit-hard-by-asthma" rel="nofollow">http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130314/NEWS/303140038/IN-DEPTH-Study-County-s-poorer-kids-hit-hard-by-asthma</a></p><p> </p><p>Poor kids have greater chances of asthma, Substandard housing being a contributing factor.  What would you change/add if money was no object?  What are your thoughts and experiences? </p>

Change with poverty or asthma?  I don't know much about asthma, but I would think that meds should be easier to get as well as treatments.  Poverty?  Well, if money was no object I would work to end poverty, isn't that no brainer?  I'm not sure where you are going with this at all.

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Thu, 03-14-2013 - 11:23am

geschichtsgal wrote:
<p>I'm not sure I understand the question.  How should we help eliminate poverty?  Or are you interested in the asthma poverty connection?</p>

Oh good, it wasn't just me.

PumpkinAngel

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