Speaking of Poverty

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Speaking of Poverty
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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 9:18am

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130314/NEWS/303140038/IN-DEPTH-Study-County-s-poorer-kids-hit-hard-by-asthma

 

Poor kids have greater chances of asthma, Substandard housing being a contributing factor.  What would you change/add if money was no object?  What are your thoughts and experiences? 

 

 

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:54pm

<There will always be a top, middle and bottom class>

Jams, Does the bottom "class" have to live in poverty? Ideally, there can be income disparity without poverty if all basic needs of the lowest end were met.

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:32pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
You'd have to recognize that there is a poverty culture to begin with, And I know you don't.

Ethnic minorities and single mothers are disproportionately representated at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale. I'm curious, how can you explain that within the context of a culture of poverty? Do you feel that those groups are more susceptible somehow?

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:25pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>No, Even if money was no object how would you eliminate poverty? The point is you can't, There will always be a top, middle and bottom class.. And my op is just a small piece of the problems that exist at the bottom, You seriously fix it by pulling them out of the category they're in? Good luck with that!</p>

If you have unlimited funds, why would you leave people in substandard housing?  How about we bring all substandard housing up to standard, for one thing?  And since substandard diet is an issue, how about we put real grocery stores and real farmer's markets in areas where people don't have access to fresh food?  And since lack of medical care is an issue, how about we make health care available to everyone with part of those unlimited funds?  We won't worry about eliminating poverty, we'll just make sure everyone has access to adequate housing, decent food, and health care.  Then we'll make the poor people wear fake Uggs so everyone still knows they are poor.

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:05pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>No, Even if money was no object how would you eliminate poverty? The point is you can't, There will always be a top, middle and bottom class.. And my op is just a small piece of the problems that exist at the bottom, You seriously fix it by pulling them out of the category they're in? Good luck with that!</p>

So it's your belief that people who live in poverty cannot be helped, then? Or is it that they should not be helped?

By the way, I'm still waiting on the answers to some of my original questions. Are you looking to remove children from people's homes who don't meet your inspection criteria?

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:02pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Economic poverty will skip generations if the culture continues. &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;By skip a generation, do you mean that every other generation will be poor?  How are you figuring that?&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>You'd have to recognize that there is a poverty culture to begin with, And I know you don't. </p>

Do you mean that every single poor person shares the same cultural outlook?  No, I don't believe that.  Do I believe that the generationally poor share certain similarities in the way that they relate to the world?  Absolutely.  Do I believe that this is a culture of "entitlements?"  Not really.

But I still don't know what you meant by poverty "skipping generations."

And unlike you, I've been poor.  I didn't like it.

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 4:01pm
"There will always be a top, middle and bottom class." -------- Yes, of course, and that is OK as long as the bottom part of the population has decent housing, access to healthcare, access to education etc. The depth of poverty in the US, South America and many third world countries is quite shocking and really not necessary.
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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 3:50pm

bordwithyou wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;Economic poverty will skip generations if the culture continues. &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>By skip a generation, do you mean that every other generation will be poor?  How are you figuring that?</p>

You'd have to recognize that there is a poverty culture to begin with, And I know you don't. 

 


 


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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 3:48pm

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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 3:41pm

No, Even if money was no object how would you eliminate poverty? The point is you can't, There will always be a top, middle and bottom class.. And my op is just a small piece of the problems that exist at the bottom, You seriously fix it by pulling them out of the category they're in? Good luck with that!

 


 


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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 12:44pm

lifespeachy wrote:
The problem isn't that "the poor" believe that they are entitled, but that the existing programs are designed to keep them living in poverty.

If we had "like" buttons, I'd "like" your post.

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