Still think the death penalty is cruel?

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-06-2004
Still think the death penalty is cruel?
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Tue, 03-06-2007 - 9:52am

This crime was committed with the children home.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-26-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:02pm

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I have no problem with them listening to his confession. It was PROVEN that he didnt do it. No doubt about it. He is also insane. Didnt you say that an insane person isnt responsible for what they say?

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The victim is dead. He didnt say anything.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:05pm

>>Not to mention how many times did you and the various others here say that someone that is mentally ill (Andrea Yates)isnt responsible for saying things?<<

Not once.

>>Show me substancial evidence this Illinois PD is corrupt.<<

Lying on the stand isn't the same as corrupt. All it means is that a particular cop somehow felt he was helping justice along by making up evidence. He didn't necessarily even tell anyone he wasn't telling the truth. So, there is no suggestions that this Illinois PD is corrupt, nor would they have to be. Just a cop who lied.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-10-2007
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:07pm

There are two levels of self-defense, generally. http://ittendojo.org/articles/general-4.htm

Self-defense, non-lethal force: The general criminal law allows for the use of necessary and proportionate, non-deadly force in self-defense anytime the victim reasonably believes that unlawful force is about to be used on him.

Self-defense, lethal force: The standard for use of deadly force is, predictably, higher. The general criminal law allows for the use of deadly force anytime a faultless victim reasonably believes that unlawful force which will cause death or grievous bodily harm is about to be used on him.

In a majority of jurisdictions, a victim has the right to use non-deadly force in defense of his dwelling when, and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate another’s unlawful entry or attack upon his dwelling. Deadly force is authorized when violent entry is made or attempted and the victim reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent an attack on his person.

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Basically, unless it is REASONABLE to believe that unlawful force which will cause death or grievous bodily harm is about to be used on him, you can't shoot to kill. an unarmed intruder, in the middle of the night, usually doesn't qualify.

From Brittanica: The claim of self-defense must normally rely on a reasonable belief that the other party intended to inflict great bodily harm or death and that avoidance by retreating was impossible.

Not only do I think it is morally more acceptable to retreat or use non-lethal force, it is obviously more legally acceptable as well.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:08pm
It's pretty obvious to me that no matter what, you will always think that the cops did their jobs truthfully and honestly, it's just that noone else did. (The judges, the prosecutors, the lawmakers...) Not surprising, but interesting.
iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:11pm
I just can't get over the "police officer fabricating evidence is a technicality" thing. Are you serious? Or do you honestly believe that every police officer in the country would never ever ever lie on the stand to help convict someone?
iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:13pm
Ok, if the technicality wasn't the cop lying, what was it?
iVillage Member
Registered: 07-26-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:13pm

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I told you and it was in all these sites. He recanted and was NEVER charged with the crime. I cant prove he didnt do something. You cant prove a negative. Prove he did it. Investigators, and the DA neither charged him with the murder.

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I would love to, but I cant get an outline view of that Andrea Yates discussion.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-09-28/news/killer-smile/full

As the story is known, Sells was born in Oakland, California, on June 28, 1964. His family later moved to Utah and St. Louis, where his mother and siblings still live. Family members have declined to talk about him. Another sister, Sells' twin, died at age 2 of spinal meningitis. Sells had the same high fever but survived, possibly with permanent brain dysfunction. Although he provides no details, Sells has alluded to episodes of sexual abuse in his childhood, an issue that came out during his trial in Del Rio. "There was a man in his neighborhood who befriended little boys, and Tommy absolutely refused to discuss what happened," testified a psychologist called by the defense.

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Then why did you post that statement? random?

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-26-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:14pm
If they had enough to arrest her there was evidence.
iVillage Member
Registered: 07-26-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:16pm

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I dont understand what you are saying here. You dont have to tell me that you arent following it. You are mixing things together that dont make sense.

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Um right.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2006
Tue, 03-13-2007 - 6:16pm
Wow.

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