Testing Culture in Public Schools

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Testing Culture in Public Schools
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Sat, 03-22-2014 - 8:03pm

Now that conservative commentator Michelle Malkin is all up in arms about excessive testing and our school children being used as lab rats, do you suppose I'll be forgiven for seeing and naming the issue a decade ago?<http://m.columbiatribune.com/opinion/columnists/revolt-against-the-testing-tyrants/article_8e237030-b167-11e3-9846-10604b9f6eda.html>

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 9:00am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>Meowww... Her column sounds as miserable as what you speak of and have spoken of over the years about public schools, Lol. There are a slim number of parents I know that are haters like this, even teachers find a way to really teach around state tests, YMMV, And here, I thought your schools were good ones there.  It must really stink to have to find outside validation for the hate and personal choices you have made over the years.....</p>

See...that's the point, the teaches have to teach around the state tests.   I don't know why you continue to make up such fiction about bord hating public school, it does not reflect well on your comments.

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 9:08am

just_another_marla wrote:
<p>I think tests are a useful tool if the measurements can make the case for improvements. We're seeing a lot of tests and very little progress, however. </p>

Exactly.

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 9:20am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>You mean national council for education? Gee, Are you on your iphone again or what? Lol..  I am behind a lot of revamping of the educational system and I am totally supportive of funding programs that start at the preschool level.  Having said that, There is nothing b/w a parents choice to home school/private school/charter school that is remotely close to the attacks you've had about public schools over the years. I may have to do my thesis on this, I mean really, You're a prime example of how switching schools ins't the answer.....  </p><p>Let me know if the same email address you used for my daughter's jdrf team is the same email address I can use to ask you personal stuff, thank you!  </p>

You used to be against funding programs at the preschool level, what changed in your thoughts?  

Why do you continue to make up "attacks" on public school when there has been none?  How has switching schools gone for your family over the years, can you give us some pros/cons on the different schools over the years?

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 9:22am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;You mean national council for education? Gee, Are you on your iphone again or what? Lol..  I am behind a lot of revamping of the educational system and I am totally supportive of funding programs that start at the preschool level.  Having said that, There is nothing b/w a parents choice to home school/private school/charter school that is remotely close to the attacks you've had about public schools over the years. I may have to do my thesis on this, I mean really, You're a prime example of how switching schools ins't the answer.....  &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Let me know if the same email address you used for my daughter's jdrf team is the same email address I can use to ask you personal stuff, thank you!  &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;.  My e-mail address is public, but I won't be answering private questions from you no matter what platform you use to ask them.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Oh fudge, I'm so hurt.  But likewise, Stop looking up me and my kids too.  </p>

You do remember that you posted the walk on this board and you requested funds on another public board....right?

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 11:21am
"The whole language movement does seem to have mostly run its course." ------ Yes, thankfully. Dd just had bad timing, in the sense that it was at its height when she was about to start school. I could even have dealt with the language part, but I went ballistic, when I realized (after a meeting with the local principal) that they had decided the concept was so great that they were extending it to math. At the same time, they didn't really teach anything else, like music, art or foreign language, so the value added was difficult to spot.
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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 1:19pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
That's too bad, I doubt teachers in elementary schools feel threatened by what you have to say, After all, incompetence is all about the flame thrower not the teacher.

This is hilarious.  You are saying there are no incompetent people or teachers in the world?  Bwah!

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 1:25pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>You mean national council for education? Gee, Are you on your iphone again or what? Lol..  I am behind a lot of revamping of the educational system and I am totally supportive of funding programs that start at the preschool level.  Having said that, There is nothing b/w a parents choice to home school/private school/charter school that is remotely close to the attacks you've had about public schools over the years. I may have to do my thesis on this, I mean really, You're a prime example of how switching schools ins't the answer.....  </p><p>Let me know if the same email address you used for my daughter's jdrf team is the same email address I can use to ask you personal stuff, thank you!  </p>

The only rational explanation for this claim is hallecunations.  

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 1:31pm

So here is a possible subject to debate, instead of slamming Bord.  My state has exit exams for high school.  You pass the tests in high school you get a diploma.  If you don't pass the tests, but still pass all your classes & get enough credits, you only get a certificate saying yes, they went to school here.  

So what is your opinion on exit exams for hs?  The governor proposed the students be required to take the SAT instead.  I'm not sure how it would work, it looks like purely a cost cutting measure.  The state would pay for the first SAT and after that to graduate you would have to pay for any re-tests you had to take.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 1:50pm

litlmiss_cantbewrong wrote:
<p>So here is a possible subject to debate, instead of slamming Bord.  My state has exit exams for high school.  You pass the tests in high school you get a diploma.  If you don't pass the tests, but still pass all your classes &amp; get enough credits, you only get a certificate saying yes, they went to school here.  </p><p>So what is your opinion on exit exams for hs?  The governor proposed the students be required to take the SAT instead.  I'm not sure how it would work, it looks like purely a cost cutting measure.  The state would pay for the first SAT and after that to graduate you would have to pay for any re-tests you had to take.</p>

We have that. They're called End of Instruction (EOI) exams.    There are seven EOI subjects:  Alg I, Geometry, Alg II, English II, English III, Biology and US History.  To graduate, you must PASS Alg I and English II, and two of the remaining 5.

They are all taken before one's senior year, so if the required four aren't passed, there is at least a year left for remedial teaching and other support so they can be passed before graduation.

I also believe there are alternative tests or exceptions for those on an IEP or who are enrolled in special ed.

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Mon, 03-24-2014 - 1:55pm

savcal2011 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">litlmiss_cantbewrong</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;So here is a possible subject to debate, instead of slamming Bord.  My state has exit exams for high school.  You pass the tests in high school you get a diploma.  If you don't pass the tests, but still pass all your classes &amp;amp; get enough credits, you only get a certificate saying yes, they went to school here.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is your opinion on exit exams for hs?  The governor proposed the students be required to take the SAT instead.  I'm not sure how it would work, it looks like purely a cost cutting measure.  The state would pay for the first SAT and after that to graduate you would have to pay for any re-tests you had to take.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>We have that. They're called End of Instruction (EOI) exams.    There are seven EOI subjects:  Alg I, Geometry, Alg II, English II, English III, Biology and US History.  To graduate, you must PASS Alg I and English II, and two of the remaining 5.</p><p>They are all taken before one's senior year, so if the required four aren't passed, there is at least a year left for remedial teaching and other support so they can be passed before graduation.</p><p>I also believe there are alternative tests or exceptions for those on an IEP or who are enrolled in special ed.</p>

Ours are similar, although we only have reading, writing math.  And they take them at the end of 10th, then again 11th & 12th.  But I was wondering what you think about taking the tests themselves. And what would you think if your state decided to change it to the SAT instead, would that be postivite, negative?

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief