Thursday Traditions

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Thu, 12-12-2013 - 8:24am

Do you send Christmas cards?

What is your favorite holiday movie?

Do you  have a favorite holiday cookie?

What's for dinner on Christmas?

Number five, Are you surprised by Time magazine's pick for person of the year? 

 

 

 


 


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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 9:26am
Well, every Nativity Scene needs its caganer.
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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 9:29am

bordwithyou wrote:
Well, every Nativity Scene needs its caganer.

Ha!

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 9:44am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">bordwithyou</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;I think the Catholic Church has every right to set its own practices and policies, but it is silly to pretend that all Catholic women are satisfied with a subordinate or even "separate but equal" position within the church.  I work with a number of faithful Catholics, some who are in orders, who would desperately like to see things change.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Desperate sounds like a sense of urgency, Wow.  Even Jesus didn't hurry things.  </p><p>I'm sorry you know women that feel inferior or subordinate.  Many women have very important roles in the church, they don't have time to feel sorry for themselves.  </p>

In all your years in the RCC, you've never met a female Catholic unhappy with the RCC.  And I have never met such a woman, so obviously there is no such woman unhappy with being a Catholic in 2013.  For the life of me, I can't imagine Bord and others who are not familiar with women in the Catholic Church claiming otherwise.  Such blatant fabrication so close to Christmas...for shame.  God is watching. 

Why would we ever believe the several people here NOT members of the Catholic Church trying so very fervently to defame the RCC?  As if the Pope has political power!  Puhlease. 

It's like me claiming the view from the Sistine Chapel is breath taking.  I wouldn't do it because I've actually been to Italy, and such a comment is just a blatant fabrication.  (Especially so close to Xmas ~ baby Jesus abhors mendacity.)

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:04am
"It's like me claiming the view from the Sistine Chapel is breath taking. I wouldn't do it because I've actually been to Italy, and such a comment is just a blatant fabrication. (Especially so close to Xmas ~ baby Jesus abhors mendacity.)" I don't even believe you are Catholic. If you were, you wouldn't be misrepresenting other people like you do, and bringing Jesus into it. I've met too many real Catholics to believe a real Catholic would do something like this.
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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:29am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">QueenbeeNotaWannabee</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;jamblessedthree&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Huh? Of course the catholic church stays out of gay marriage. Context means a lot mops, I believe that link you've copied is from my quote of where the Pope and Maddow differ.  He's a people's pope which is a wonderful thing but he won't gamble church principles. &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes, heaven forbid he upset two thousand years of misogyny. I mean, that would be absolutely tragic for Catholic women. &lt;img src="/forums/sites/all/libraries/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-undecided.gif" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p><span>That's nice you've changed your tune garnetboy/wannabe b/c at one time your disapproval of gay marriage was b/c you feared it would lead to humans being allowed to marry dogs or goats or something sick like that.  You're a member of the UCC, they've always believed in marriage equality, No?  </span></p><p> </p>

I freely admit that my position on gay marriage has changed over the last decade, largely because I got out of my sheltered suburban bubble and had some hard conversations with people who challenged me and made me realize I was wrong about gay marriage. Moreover, as my faith has grown, so has my realization that God calls us to love one another as He loves us, not to classify people who are different from us (be it by their gender, race or sexual preference) as OTHER because we were all created in His imagine. I suspect your Francis would agree with me.  Are my thoughts and views not allowed to change and evolve over time now?

Furthermore, if you think misogyny has anything to do with gay marriage, it does not mean what you think it means. I really do love Pope Francis, but I could never be part of a denomination that oppresses women the way Catholocism has for the last thousand years. <Shrug> Obviously YMMV.

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:34am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;bordwithyou&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;I think the Catholic Church has every right to set its own practices and policies, but it is silly to pretend that all Catholic women are satisfied with a subordinate or even "separate but equal" position within the church.  I work with a number of faithful Catholics, some who are in orders, who would desperately like to see things change.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Desperate sounds like a sense of urgency, Wow.  Even Jesus didn't hurry things.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm sorry you know women that feel inferior or subordinate.  Many women have very important roles in the church, they don't have time to feel sorry for themselves.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>In all your years in the RCC, you've never met a female Catholic unhappy with the RCC.  And I have never met such a woman, so obviously there is no such woman unhappy with being a Catholic in 2013.  For the life of me, I can't imagine Bord and others who are not familiar with women in the Catholic Church claiming otherwise.  Such blatant fabrication so close to Christmas...for shame.  God is watching. </p><p>Why would we ever believe the several people here NOT members of the Catholic Church trying so very fervently to defame the RCC?  As if the Pope has political power!  Puhlease. </p><p>It's like me claiming the view from the Sistine Chapel is breath taking.  I wouldn't do it because I've actually been to Italy, and such a comment is just a blatant fabrication.  (Especially so close to Xmas ~ baby Jesus abhors mendacity.)</p>

Yes he is, so perhaps you should stop?   Your blanket statements about millions of Catholic women worldwide leave serious doubts about your knowledge of the Catholic faith as do your claim of visting the Sistine Chapel and Italy.  

PumpkinAngel

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:34am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;bordwithyou&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;I think the Catholic Church has every right to set its own practices and policies, but it is silly to pretend that all Catholic women are satisfied with a subordinate or even "separate but equal" position within the church.  I work with a number of faithful Catholics, some who are in orders, who would desperately like to see things change.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Desperate sounds like a sense of urgency, Wow.  Even Jesus didn't hurry things.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm sorry you know women that feel inferior or subordinate.  Many women have very important roles in the church, they don't have time to feel sorry for themselves.  &lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>In all your years in the RCC, you've never met a female Catholic unhappy with the RCC.  And I have never met such a woman, so obviously there is no such woman unhappy with being a Catholic in 2013.  For the life of me, I can't imagine Bord and others who are not familiar with women in the Catholic Church claiming otherwise.  Such blatant fabrication so close to Christmas...for shame.  God is watching. </p><p>Why would we ever believe the several people here NOT members of the Catholic Church trying so very fervently to defame the RCC?  As if the Pope has political power!  Puhlease. </p><p>It's like me claiming the view from the Sistine Chapel is breath taking.  I wouldn't do it because I've actually been to Italy, and such a comment is just a blatant fabrication.  (Especially so close to Xmas ~ baby Jesus abhors mendacity.)</p>

I know several women who left the Catholic church b/c they weren't happy with it: my college BFF, both of my SILs. I know others who call themselves Catholic b/c it is their religious cultural identity but there are many aspects of the faith that make them very uncomfortable and because of this, they don't attend mass. I know this, because they tend to talk to me about their issues in light of my current path of study. I have other Catholic friends who find great comfort in their faith. And I think that's great. But personally, I could not be a part of an institution that preaches equality but doesn't afford equal rights in ministry to both genders. I think that is wrong.

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:41am

QueenbeeNotaWannabee wrote:
I freely admit that my position on gay marriage has changed over the last decade, largely because I got out of my sheltered suburban bubble and had some hard conversations with people who challenged me and made me realize I was wrong about gay marriage. Moreover, as my faith has grown, so has my realization that God calls us to love one another as He loves us, not to classify people who are different from us (be it by their gender, race or sexual preference) as OTHER because we were all created in His imagine. I suspect your Francis would agree with me.  Are my thoughts and views not allowed to change and evolve over time now?</p><p>Furthermore, if you think misogyny has anything to do with gay marriage, it does not mean what you think it means. I really do love Pope Francis, but I could never be part of a denomination that oppresses women the way Catholocism has for the last thousand years. &lt;Shrug&gt; Obviously YMMV.</p>

Wow. You mean people, and their views and beliefs, can change throughout the years?  What a concept!

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 10:57am

QueenbeeNotaWannabee wrote:
  I know several women who left the Catholic church b/c they weren't happy with it: my college BFF, both of my SILs. I know others who call themselves Catholic b/c it is their religious cultural identity but there are many aspects of the faith that make them very uncomfortable and because of this, they don't attend mass. I know this, because they tend to talk to me about their issues in light of my current path of study. I have other Catholic friends who find great comfort in their faith. And I think that's great. But personally, I could not be a part of an institution that preaches equality but doesn't afford equal rights in ministry to both genders. I think that is wrong.</p>

Nope, as you well know being Catholic was never a cultural identity.  Just religious.  So, again another fabrication by yet another boardie who is not Catholic but claims to know oodles of unhappy Catholics going to church every Sunday, wallowing in tears.

Your alleged miserably unhappy Catholic acquaintances, had several opportunities throughout their young lives to renounce Catholicism before receiving the final sacrament.  That is not moot, you affirmatively failed to even pretend they did celebrate the sacraments.  Again, not very convincing.

Unlike these newfangled, fly by night, I'm King-I-want-a-divorce, and protestant religions, one is only a true Catholic by acting.

I asked you earlier, can you explain how real Catholic women are oppressed?  As an Ivy League grad, a former lawyer now retired, a holder of a drivers license, credit card and Costco membership card (just showing the absolute absuridity of such an argument), I've never been oppressed in my decades as a Catholic.  How could you non-Catholics here possibly be in a superior position to claim differently.  You cannot.

It's like people claiming after decades that they accept the gay lifestyle and want marriage for homosexuals.  People can type.  But people don't change.

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Fri, 12-13-2013 - 11:04am
"It's like people claiming after decades that they accept the gay lifestyle and want marriage for homosexuals. People can type. But people don't change." More evidence you aren't even Catholic. All the good Catholics I've ever met accept the possibilities inherent in the message of redemption and transformation.

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