Two for Tuesday

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Wed, 04-10-2013 - 10:43am

1. If you could choose one dream job, what would it be?

2. Amanda Bynes, crazy?

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Avatar for rollmops2009
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Registered: 02-24-2009
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 3:18am
"I expect bias if you grew up poor. I did not so my views are less foggy." --------- Whoa! I most certainly did not grow up poor, and yet, oddly, I am completely aware of the inadequacy of services for addicts and people living with mental illness.
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Registered: 02-24-2009
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 3:22am
Except we are not talking "wealth" here, just 3 squares and an attic for 6 kids. So even there, it seems a bit off. But I guess that brings us back to the dellusional [sic] bit.
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 5:16am

You don't even know what you're asking. Who? My county health department, hospitals, clinics, treatment centers that offer both inpatient and outpatient care...  What? Or are you just looking for #s of people turned away from these services to satisfy your own theory? You'd know that more than I, Perhaps you have your own documentation to prove it. 

 


 


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Registered: 10-23-2001
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 5:24am
Yes, sadly people relapse. Point? Some return to treatment, others don't, Some die, harm themselves or harm others, some kill... Is that because there isn't enough care out there IYO? It's far more complex than that.

 


 


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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 7:58am
"Is that because there isn't enough care out there IYO? It's far more complex than that." -------------- Of course there are other factors, but, believe it or not, access to adequate care has a real effect on outcomes. BTW, did you find a rehab in your area that can take a destitute patient within 24-48 hours?
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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 8:07am
I found one in my area. A person showing up intoxicated, suicidal, or under the influence of drugs can stay 72 hrs in the psych ward of our local hospital. After that, there might or might not be a bed at an intermediate care center (halfway house) where they can stay up to 14 days. The county treatment center had thirty beds and a five month average wait for treatment. They recommend a sixty day stay. State insurance pays 14 days a year.
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Registered: 09-01-2002
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 8:52am

rollmops2009 wrote:
"Is that because there isn't enough care out there IYO? It's far more complex than that." -------------- Of course there are other factors, but, believe it or not, access to adequate care has a real effect on outcomes. BTW, did you find a rehab in your area that can take a destitute patient within 24-48 hours?

I think people are very afraid to face the possibility that rehabs are a complete waste of time for so many.  A lot of people relapse even after treatment.  So, what's the answer?  Just throwing money at the problem is not always a solution.

Avatar for BeaArthurisMyReligion
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Registered: 02-20-2013
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 9:17am

my wife is a psych nurse at a short term stabilization facility  with less than 20 beds.. they are always full. the cuts to the mental health programs in our state have made getting into good treatment even more difficult, especially if the patients are teenagers or younger...it's something we all think we can take for granted and will be there if we need it but getting access to the right kind of treatment for addiction and mental health issues is getting harder and harder with across the board cuts and if you don't have the means to pay out of pocket or head to private facilities you can be in deep deep trouble ...

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 10:54am

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">rollmops2009</em> wrote:</div>"Is that because there isn't enough care out there IYO? It's far more complex than that." -------------- Of course there are other factors, but, believe it or not, access to adequate care has a real effect on outcomes. BTW, did you find a rehab in your area that can take a destitute patient within 24-48 hours?</blockquote></p><p>I think people are very afraid to face the possibility that rehabs are a complete waste of time for so many.  A lot of people relapse even after treatment.  So, what's the answer?  Just throwing money at the problem is not always a solution.</p>

You know, public services will always get a bad rap, We see it in public education and HHS all the time.  It's a shame.  We wouldn't have all these problems if people worked the programs, That's the hard part. 

 


 


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Registered: 09-01-2002
Thu, 04-11-2013 - 11:30am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">thardy2001</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;rollmops2009&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;"Is that because there isn't enough care out there IYO? It's far more complex than that." -------------- Of course there are other factors, but, believe it or not, access to adequate care has a real effect on outcomes. BTW, did you find a rehab in your area that can take a destitute patient within 24-48 hours?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think people are very afraid to face the possibility that rehabs are a complete waste of time for so many.  A lot of people relapse even after treatment.  So, what's the answer?  Just throwing money at the problem is not always a solution.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>You know, public services will always get a bad rap, We see it in public education and HHS all the time.  It's a shame.  We wouldn't have all these problems if people worked the programs, That's the hard part. </p>

If we're talking welfare, the model welfare state ~ Norway ~ is not a model I would want the US to follow.  Marla spoke of immediate beds in rehab and recovery, a grant for the family to eat and enjoy housing.  Well, throwing money at the problem is not the solution.  The war on drugs in the US has shown that too.

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