Virgin Births? No way!

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Sun, 12-22-2013 - 9:57am

http://www.ivillage.com/it-s-christmas-so-let-s-talk-about-virgin-births/6-a-555804

Maybe it has nothing to do with relations after all, Aye...  My take is this logic follows the same lines as those that believe you get pg on the pill too, Heaven forbid you get called to task and questioned whether you took it correctly..

 

 

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 8:38am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><a href="http://www.ivillage.com/it-s-christmas-so-let-s-talk-about-virgin-births/6-a-555804" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivillage.com/it-s-christmas-so-let-s-talk-about-virgin-births/6-a-555804</a></p><p>Maybe it has nothing to do with relations after all, Aye...  My take is this logic follows the same lines as those that believe you get pg on the pill too, Heaven forbid you get called to task and questioned whether you took it correctly..</p>

I'm really not seeing what logic you have going on in those comments...

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 8:40am

jamblessedthree wrote:
Not unkind, You have a pattern of making up stories or following myths about unequal roles, I don't buy this one and it's spoken like a true non-catholic. How many catholic women do you know in pastorial roles? Many? I know more than a handful that laugh at the joke that there is mysogyny in the church, Lol, They're not in their positons b/c they believed such hogwash.

It's not a myth that many religions, including the Catholic one have unequal roles in their structures, its actual fact.  

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 9:09am

My brother is a doctoral student at Sacred Heart in Detroit. He spent two years living at the seminary to become a RCC priest. He dropped out due to the fact that he could not reconcile his thoughts on feminism with that of the church. That wasn't an excuse to drop out of college; he's still finishing the same degree that priests do, and his faith is not lost. He simply does not feel comfortable condoning the misogyny. Further, he was deeply embarrassed at the church's attitude toward the sexual abuse scandal. 

I'll give you that this was one man's opinion. Be aware that in order to become a seminarian in the RCC, one has to pass a battery of examinations and have the blessing of the diocese. His experience is a little more involved than someone who took two semesters of psych in their junior year and then changed their major to chemistry. This was his calling. 

I respect your unwavering faith Jams, but your view of the church is rosy and out of touch with reality.

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 9:54am

If a woman (or a man) can't fill a role solely because of the fact of their sexes, then it is not a myth that their are unequal roles for men and women in an institution

Where are the flying lawsuits related to sex discrimination?  Perhaps you'd like to tap into discrimination against men, against homosexuals, single or childless people then too.  Where would it stop bord?  PhDs in the field I'm studying, Both women and men in bigger roles in my church are there b/c they live what they believe not b/c they are fighting for some norm or equality, If you only knew what one of my professors is doing for the community - Oh wait, he's a guy, that's different.  You get caught up in theorizing and building your case from there, Life is bigger than that and I hope your students anyway take away more than what they just hear you talk about.  

 

 

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 10:59am

just_another_marla wrote:
<p>My brother is a doctoral student at Sacred Heart in Detroit. He spent two years living at the seminary to become a RCC priest. He dropped out due to the fact that he could not reconcile his thoughts on feminism with that of the church. That wasn't an excuse to drop out of college; he's still finishing the same degree that priests do, and his faith is not lost. He simply does not feel comfortable condoning the misogyny. Further, he was deeply embarrassed at the church's attitude toward the sexual abuse scandal. </p><p>I'll give you that this was one man's opinion. Be aware that in order to become a seminarian in the RCC, one has to pass a battery of examinations and have the blessing of the diocese. His experience is a little more involved than someone who took two semesters of psych in their junior year and then changed their major to chemistry. This was his calling. </p><p>I respect your unwavering faith Jams, but your view of the church is rosy and out of touch with reality.</p>

The calling of priesthood isn't for everybody and I think that's good your brother knew to drop out before finishing.   There are some ordained priests that shouldn't be there.  

ETA my favorite story is one about the parish priest I knew when we lived in Texas, He was in graduate school and his plans were to live large as a lawyer.  Something kept holding him back and he got the calling to enter the seminary instead of finishing law school.  That was many years ago and you know, he is still a priest.  There are many great stories than sour grapes but I commend your brother for recognzing that the calling wasn't his.  

 

 

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 11:51am

jamblessedthree wrote:
<p><em><span style="font-size:13px">If a woman (or a man) can't fill a role solely because of the fact of their sexes, then it is not a myth that their are unequal roles for men and women in an institution</span></em></p><p><span style="font-size:x-small"><span>Where are the flying lawsuits related to sex discrimination?  Perhaps you'd like to tap into discrimination against men, against homosexuals, single or childless people then too.  Where would it stop bord?  PhDs in the field I'm studying, Both women and men in bigger roles in my church are there b/c they live what they believe not b/c they are fighting for some norm or equality, If you only knew what one of my professors is doing for the community - Oh wait, he's a guy, that's different.  You get caught up in theorizing and building your case from there, Life is bigger than that and I hope your students anyway take away more than what they just hear you talk about.  </span></span></p>

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 12:03pm

"Where are the flying lawsuits related to sex discrimination? Perhaps you'd like to tap into discrimination against men, against homosexuals, single or childless people then too. Where would it stop bord? PhDs in the field I'm studying, Both women and men in bigger roles in my church are there b/c they live what they believe not b/c they are fighting for some norm or equality, If you only knew what one of my professors is doing for the community - Oh wait, he's a guy, that's different. You get caught up in theorizing and building your case from there, Life is bigger than that and I hope your students anyway take away more than what they just hear you talk about."

What are you talking about?  It is not illegal for a religious organization to discriminate in the USA, and we have no jurisdiction over Vatican City.

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 1:32pm

bordwithyou wrote:
<p>"Where are the flying lawsuits related to sex discrimination? Perhaps you'd like to tap into discrimination against men, against homosexuals, single or childless people then too. Where would it stop bord? PhDs in the field I'm studying, Both women and men in bigger roles in my church are there b/c they live what they believe not b/c they are fighting for some norm or equality, If you only knew what one of my professors is doing for the community - Oh wait, he's a guy, that's different. You get caught up in theorizing and building your case from there, Life is bigger than that and I hope your students anyway take away more than what they just hear you talk about."</p><p>What are you talking about?  It is not illegal for a religious organization to discriminate in the USA, and we have no jurisdiction over Vatican City.</p>

No doubt.  Teachers get kicked to the curb for violating church principles, Nuns that try and radicalize and change church order have been shunned, Children even get casted out of church schools which is sad to me, etc.  NOBODY is disriminated b/c of their sex in the catholic church however.  It's clear how secular and discriminating your own views are, Is Margaret Fraley a friend of yours? 

 

 

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 1:54pm

Your statement is simply false, Jamblessed. Discrimination exusts within the Catholic Church. You may agree or disagree with the discrimination, but to deny it exists is to live in a separate reality. Some roles are closed to women or men  because of their sex, that is prima facie sexual discrimination. I do not know anyone named Margaret Fraley.

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Mon, 12-23-2013 - 2:55pm

Jams. Did you mean to reference Margaret Farley? A Sister of Mercy and retired professor who taught Christian ethics at Yale Divinity School.

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